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Today is 40 years since the mighty Trane passed on
I know there some folks here that listen to him besides me(Stefka,Tubby,Fata).His music to me is different than other jazz,that weird spiritual vibe he had was incredible.My dad has a good collection of Coltrane. I only have "A Love Supreme" and it’s not my favorite. I think "India" is on Impressions. And that’s the tune that does it for me.
"fata morgana " wrote:My dad has a good collection of Coltrane. I only have "A Love Supreme" and it’s not my favorite. I think "India" is on Impressions. And that’s the tune that does it for me.India is also on the Live At The Village Vanguard reissue from the `90s.There`s a 4 cd box set of those live recordings too.
A Love Supreme is my favorite though it might be because it was my first Trane album.yeah, India it the one that does it for me, it was probably my first, its the one I remember first and I was little,
only 4 or 5 because I still remember the room I used to run around and listen to it in. The song is huge and allows lots of room for imagination as a kid………………………..My four kids are split into two sets but into different pairs for different things. There are the 2 dreamers(mom) and 2 non-dreamers (dad)…….there are the 2 emotional (Dad) and the 2 Dr. Spocks of emotion (Mom).
There are 2 daydreamers (Mom) and 2 pragmatics (Dad). There are two that get caught up in music and run around or lay on the floor THINKING while listening to a song……….quite oblivious to anything else. Then the other two who tend to say "please turn down the music so I can think"I remember running around THINKING to this song…………..
speaking of alien head, it makes me uncomfortable for higher ups in the military,the CIA and NASA, especially ones with top secret clearance, ones who’s credential’s you can check into with ease, when those folks talk about having contacts with alien spaceships and aliens themselves, and talk about George Bush (Gemini, so first) not allowing Carter or Clinton any information on ufo’s the CIA has, that weirds me out. Especially coming from the National Press Club. Whenever the national press club does their thing on the radio here in Athens I try and listen………I miss it lots because life is that way……….looking into something to listen too while making bread………I found this NPC event I had not heard of, I was shocked, was anyone else aware of this group of folks who say they want to "break" the silence about UFO’s and their involvement in our government. I wasn’t sure if I should laugh or cry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHUvIXtnB7g XHUvIXtnB7g
It last over an hour so have some sort of project available to do…….sewing, cleaning, baking………I don’t know but you don’t want to just sit for that long. The Military and CIA speakers don’t start until after 7 mins or so, but very interesting.I haven’t heard a note from John Coltrane, but I’m gonna guess by the way he’s widely liked that I am missing something.
Quote:the song is huge and allows lots of room for imagination as a kid………………………..I never got into music like that, however flaming lips’ Yoshimi Vs. Pink Robots does kinda take you to an imaginative place, where ya get alot of smarts, but the way it is filtered to you it doesn’t overwhelm you with anything other than peaceful, mellow thoughts. It’s kinda sci-fi, and lets your imagination run wild. Jazz has never been that absorbing to me. It’s melodies are too hectic and each song sounds like 10 different ones, but I guess that’s just a free jamming thing. It’s kinda cool to know that alot of Jazz musicians didnt need to sing, which could have something to do with the social restraint and victimizing society at the time. Did John Coltrane have a singer in his band? Did most Jazz bands?
Quote:My four kids are split into two sets but into different pairs for different things. There are the 2 dreamers(mom) and 2 non-dreamers (dad)…….there are the 2 emotional (Dad) and the 2 Dr. Spocks of emotion (Mom).
There are 2 daydreamers (Mom) and 2 pragmatics (Dad).No reason to send the "Stefka shorts" to school when mom’s such a great studier. Before, when I listened to music it remained a secular thing, meaning the songs were about how great the lives like J Mascis or Jay Farrar were, or how sad, or how intelligent they seemed regardless of melody or instrument playing skill. The further more I listen to the music, the more I become obsessed in thought that it has more to do with me than I "reckoned". I start to remember things from the hooks of songs, and even verses. In some cases I remember saying that or passing by that or that happenening to me, and the musicians take on a more psychiatrist viewpoint on my own life. Wierd travels.
Quote:information on ufo’s the CIA has, that weirds me out.I read what "freak scene" meant last night and I wondered if J picked that up from the Beatnik culture, or are there gigs and gigs of wiretaps from that era because the law likes to listen to stoners, or, in their case, free thinking people. I don’t think so. Possibly, when J wrote freak scene he was dreaming of a new bohemian culture, a free speed nation, and it all revolved around two people and how rich they became, and if they were able to build the free speed nation. Granted, any big task starts with a friend, so I wouldn’t count on much when the modern age is constantly tearing people apart. It’s almost like a mission to make consumer goods the important thing in life, not all that good stuff when there’s a friend.
Annastefka, I haven’t seen any UFO’s. I did, however, sleep outside one night last week and notice something strange. There was a cloud in the exact shape of a triangular burn on my arm, and it was blowing north. I caught some pictures but they didn’t turn out, it was too dark. There were planes flying into the cloud, and the clouds turned a very dark black as they drifted north over me. I don’t know if something was released into the white cloud to turn it black, but it made me strange. The number of planes worried me too. It may have been a military move. It was certainly more exciting than sending thousands to war just to prove that America has not gone service industry silly.
"curbdogma " wrote:It’s kinda cool to know that alot of Jazz musicians didnt need to sing, which could have something to do with the social restraint and victimizing society at the time. Did John Coltrane have a singer in his band? Did most Jazz bands?Singers in jazz got off to a slow start in the 20s and `30s.Most of the singers of the day were not jazz singers.Just pop singers who thought they were cool.As Artie Shaw said ‘singers did`nt mean a goddamn thing back then,they were the junk end of a band’.Singers like Billie Holiday and Ella Fitzgerald took things in a better direction though some jazz fans are`nt always into singers.
Coltrane did 1 album with a singer in 1963.An album with Johnny Hartman was odd for Coltrane and the critical disappoval he had at the time as an ‘angry player’.Hartman was a crooner and the album was full of love songs.Yes, let’s not forget that, at the time, dance hall music was a lot more popular. Interesting comment about social restraint or racism, though. I think Duke Ellington began in dance hall music before turning towards jazz.
"fata morgana " wrote:Yes, let’s not forget that, at the time, dance hall music was a lot more popular. Interesting comment about social restraint or racism, though. I think Duke Ellington began in dance hall music before turning towards jazz.When jazz hit in the `20s,people railed against it like rock and roll in the `50s.Parents were worried that their kids would get into it.The term ‘jazz’ had a dirty meaning which did`nt help.Some dance hall bands had a tinge of jazz when they could get away with it.Ellington wanted jazz to be regarded as genuine music like the classics.
"SG " wrote:When jazz hit in the `20s,people railed against it like rock and roll in the `50s.Parents were worried that their kids would get into it.The term ‘jazz’ had a dirty meaning which did`nt help.Some dance hall bands had a tinge of jazz when they could get away with it.Ellington wanted jazz to be regarded as genuine music like the classics.I think Duke Ellington got into dance hall music because that’s where the money was. And when he had enough of a financial footing and following, he was able to move onto Jazz.
"fata morgana " wrote:Yes, let’s not forget that, at the time, dance hall music was a lot more popular. Interesting comment about social restraint or racism, though. I think Duke Ellington began in dance hall music before turning towards jazz.I like alot of those swing, dance hall songs. Jazz has just seemed always mute to me, as far as vocals go, but then again I don’t have much to compare it to other than BET’s Caribbean Flavors. If jazz hit in the 20’s, does that mean it predated blues music?
The Jazz Singer was the first film, 1927, that had sound. I imagine it was pretty even radical at the time, given it’s about a man who leaves old tradition to become involved in the jazz craze. That might be where the whole seperating from family secret leaked.
It’s the greatest idea ever had, seperating from the family and growing up in a free, non-confined spiritual jazz awakened environment, where people spoke it cool and trimmed it mellow with their cavalcade of instruments and fine, browner grass.
Quote:Ellington wanted jazz to be regarded as genuine music like the classics.Classical music sounds alot better to my ears than jazz, but the artists who wrote this classical stuff seemed to be too stressed over who could write the best and include the most flair, whereas Jazz counted on more simple wind instrument melodies.
The blues hit around the same time.Mamie Smith`s Crazy Blues in 1920 was the one that started the recording biz of the blues though the music itself unrecorded goes back a couple of decades more.The first jazz record was The Original Dixieland Jass Band`s Original Dixieland One Step in 1917.A white band actually.The black trumpeter Freddie Keppard was offered to make a record in 1916 but turned it down,fearing his style would be copied.
Yeah, I guess when the recording device was invented people spread out with it covering all they could. I find it funny that music can be passed along the years without recording devices, by just sheet music, a sense of timing and/or teachers. Mamie Smith’s Crazy Blues is a pretty cool song, though I was shocked it came from such a morose, complaintive mood. Well, I don’t really believe it’s complaining, just freely expressing what wouldn’t be in a hymn.
Heh, Freddie Keppard wouldn’t be flattered to have his style copied? It’s a stingy way of being. Of course, if he were to set a trend he might feel a little ripped off. Donna Matthews (ex-Darling Buds) of Elastica had to settle a court case relevant to this, where it was found that one of Elastica’s "singles" was using an intro riff by a Wire song. They also used a bit of The Strangler’s No More Heroes, but it may be they just did that to tie together a something.
RIP John Coltrane.
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