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Well, my light came on today between home and work, hope you’re happy.
Seriously I pretty much shelve my car for intown shit during the summer
That list is based on different countries. The States are bigger than the whole europe and if f.e. a part called Spain in Europe is having a bigger oil consumption per 1000 people does it not make the whole Europes consumption bigger.
In the states people use big cars to do small things. A pickup is like a "standard car" to drive downtown and do food shopping.. And pickups "drink a lot".. In Europe people use a lot public buses and trains that often work with electricity. But im not saying that Europe would somehow be more innocent. I just remember a couple of people in the States telling me "buses are only foor poor niggers", when i asked why they dont use the bus. , but i know that its not everyone."more bang for our buck", thats maybe why The USA did not want to sign tha Kiyoto limit deal.
Ok, and USA:s consumption is maybe not the biggest in the world, but its a huge consumption, one of the biggest in the world. And when a big country like USA does not wanna accept an enviroment deal is it hard for the rest of the world to sink the gas usage.very true about the kyoto deal aatos! Also, how they could suddenly decide that a part of the industry in the us, don’t remember which right now, doesn’t pollute it was just hysterical. They must have some sort of friendly carbondioxide(sp?)
so wait, they don’t have trucks in europe? like range rovers? and no one rides public transportation in america? except "niggers"? stop watching so much tv, guys
Come on, no one has said that. But there is a matter of fact that at least norway has a much stricter tax system than the us on trucks such as Range Rover etc because of the ammount of pollution it causes. That’s why a Range Rover for instance costs approx 150.000 $ and upwards in Norway. And the us isn’t the good boy in the class when it comes to environmental issues, though I’m not claiming it’s the worst, nor that all other countries are without blame.
From what I can gather from this the US puts out more carbon dioxide than the western european contries combined.
World Carbon Dioxide Emissions from the Consumption and Flaring of Fossil Fuels, 1992-2001:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/iea/tableh1.html”>http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/iea/tableh1.htmlyeah, stop polluting!
talking about car taxes, pick up trucks and stuff, – I suddenly feel like saying something a little on the side of this topic.
Too many politicans say stuff without good scientific support. like they say when higher prices on alcohol, will prevent people from drinking in the long run. and that high car prices and taxes on everything related to cars, will reduce car driving and enhance people’s use of public transport system, thus reduce polution.they should really shut up, untill they have reliable scientic proof! and then I don’t think of a corrupt scientist who votes for the actual politic party.
"Robert" wrote:Come on, no one has said that. But there is a matter of fact that at least norway has a much stricter tax system than the us on trucks such as Range Rover etc because of the ammount of pollution it causes. That’s why a Range Rover for instance costs approx 150.000 $ and upwards in Norway. And the us isn’t the good boy in the class when it comes to environmental issues, though I’m not claiming it’s the worst, nor that all other countries are without blame.From what I can gather from this the US puts out more carbon dioxide than the western european contries combined.
World Carbon Dioxide Emissions from the Consumption and Flaring of Fossil Fuels, 1992-2001:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/iea/tableh1.html”>http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/iea/tableh1.htmlmy point was, don’t use anacdotal evidence to dispute kurtis’s table. that would be like me saying "i hear in norway you pay all of your money to the government and then they tell you what you’re going to have for dinner". that’s all. sorry i wasn’t more delicate.
its not like range rovers are cheap in the us either, and our cars are taxed in virginia, too
I wasn’t disputing kurticus’ table at all(nor using anectdotal evidence,) I just wanted to point out that cars with big engines such as a Range Rover costs more in most western european countries, than in the us, due to "environmental tax."
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My point being, Kurticus’ table only shows how much oil is imported per capita. That’s really not that relevant in my oppinion, as it is only natural that countries that doesn’t produce oil themselves need to import it. I feel that the real issue, I might have misunderstood the discussion here completely, was about pollution, and so I pulled up a table that showed the us carbondioxide emmisions being more that the western european countries combined.Another table, from the same source as Kurticus used.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/env_pol_car_dio_fro_fos_fue_200_cap”>http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/env … ue_200_capAnd to look at oil consumption:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/ene_oil_con”>http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/ene_oil_coni was really talking aatos more than anything, sorry again
the first table is interesting. sure its, by person, but man the neatherlands produces alot. and its alot more densly populated than the u.s.
my main issue is that every assertion that, "oh i’m not saying this is all the u.s.’s fault" is backed up by like 3 more reasons that it is. obviously the united states has some changing to do, but we aren’t the only country.
"Robert" wrote:But there is a matter of fact that at least norway has a much stricter tax system than the us on trucks such as Range Rover etc because of the ammount of pollution it causes. That’s why a Range Rover for instance costs approx 150.000 $ and upwards in Norway.hey Robert, I read somewhere, that people in Norway fit a crate on the back of their Porsches, to get the tax rate of a small truck?
:aliensmile: Hehe, funny to see how people react on the less important things that I say instead of my point.
King Of Carrot Flowers: What i said wasn’t meant to sound "its all yankees fault". Sorry! Offcourse it is not only The States that polute this planet.King of Carrot Flowers, sorry I think I misunderstood you then, I thought you meant that the table I refered to was no good. My bad. And I didn’t try to make it sound like I think the US is the only to blame for pollution, oil consumption etc. My main "complaint" against the US is that it didn’t ratify(sp?) the Kyoto agreement, which was an effort to reduce the dangerous emissions worldwide. And I think it sends a bad signal when the only "superpower" that’s left in the world refuses to ratify such an agreement.
FC, yeah -there is this strange rule in norway that if you can fit an "imagined crate." in the trunk of your car it will be taxed as a small truck. But this means that the backseats of the car is removed, so that you only have the two front seats. This means that you can buy a Range Rover with only the front seats for about 90.000 $ instead of 150.000 $ But if you sometime in the future wants to put in the backseat you’ll have to pay the money that you saved the first time. Also, this "loophole" as they call it will be closed from the start of june, so the "crate thing" is no longer a fact. But yes, I know that there are sold quite a few Porsche Cayenne with only two seats to make it cheaper.
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