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i see your point, and it just drives me nuts that everytime someone wants to say something anti-war, anti-bush that mike moore invariably comes up.
clinton was not strong on international affairs, i don’t know how anyone could argue he was. he may have spent more money, but he did so while balancing the budget. he took some serious hits from republicans on kosovo and somolia (don’t remember for sure on rawanda), and dub even said during his campaign "america is not in the business of nation building". which i kind of agreed with. clinton isn’t president anymore, so let’s move on.
as far as the democratic candidates go, they will win or lose on domestic issues, i predict. depends more on people buying the tax cuts than buying the war, barring a catastrophe (waitress)
"dB stands for den Buck" wrote:A slightly related, quite disturbing story:"North Korea says it would freeze its nuclear programs as a first step in resolving the dispute, only if the United States provides economic aid and other concessions."
Here’s the link—> http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/K/KOREAS_NUCLEAR?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME”>http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/storie … CTION=HOME
Nuclear blackmail…how interesting…how interesting indeed…
Kinda makes you wish we had done something more about it ten years ago BEFORE N. Korea went nuclear doesn’t it? :slap:
Just something to think about…
Also heard on CNN that the amount of chemical weapons thought to be in Iraq that could cause large amounts of mass destruction would easily fit into the area the size of several small dorm rooms…
Compared to Iraq’s total area of 168,754.44 sq mi, I’m sure these weapons should be quite easy to find…
its impossible for us to invade north korea with out them shelling the hell out of seoul. preemptive strikes are wrong, but drawing the comparison between iraq and korea are hard. i’d point out that its 50 years after the korean war, and we are still there…
i guess we still could find wmd, but some thing is still wrong when we hear "We know where they are." and really they have no clue
interesting little rant…
Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan… what we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.
Robin Williams’ plan…
I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here’s one plan :
1. The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosovich and the rest of those ‘good ole boys..’ We will never "interfere" again.
2. We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don’t want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence.
3. All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We’ll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them.
4. All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don’t like it there, change it yourself and don’t hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don’t need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.
5. No "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don’t attend classes, they get a "D" and it’s back home baby.
6. The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing non-polluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.
7. Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don’t like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
8. If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.
9. Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don’t need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10. All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH…..learn it…or LEAVE…
Now, ain’t that a winner of a plan.
The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.” She’s got a baseball bat and she’s yelling, ”You want a piece of me?”
dude, that doesn’t even sound like williams: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp”>http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp
gotta love when people start tagging famous people’s names on these reactionary rants.Yeah, my boss was saying there’s a politician who ran in 2000 and this sounds like the stuff he (the politician) was saying but my boss couldn’t remember the guy’s name. However, he (the politicain) was labeled as a nazi almost immediately and his campaign run never really got into motion.
Either way, I still find it interesting and am curious as to how the rest of the world would react and the end product that would result if the U.S. did take such a position. Were things better before, or after?
pat buchanan, i would assume.
personally, if you want to talk extreme measures, isolationism is superior to imperialism, but the whole rant is absurd. i mean, noriega was on the cia payroll. we made one of their examples. and they don’t mention pinochet, mont, cordova, batista, and that’s just our own hemisphere.
notice how hitler, milosovich, tojo and musolini were all taken down by two of the more liberal presidents in the 20th century.
the saudi comment i find particularly hillarious. we have been conned and blackmailed by the royal family into protecting them from their own people. our economy will go to hell in a handbasket, but i say we tell them to shove it. it’ll hurt us more then them, the market ain’t just the u.s.
but if you want to take extreme measures, taking away people’s rights (including their guns) ain’t too far behind
I think Bowling for Columbine is a good thing, even if Michael Moore earns a lot of money with it. The document is made the way that it is easy to understand("American way");) so it is good that people in America can see different point of views in all those little details he has found…
I dont hate the Americans because of the war and their opinions. The normal people are usually nice but very blinded of what is happening. The US government, called "George Bush", has an effective way on manipulating the opinions of the people in the country. For example you dont "fight against terror" by bombing the whole country. The land is a "terrorland" or something like that?? Maybe just a good excuse for a war?
Its a good way to get attention and cause patriotic thoughts in peoples mind which may affect political opinions. I think there could be another methods to catch the "bad guys"..By the way there was somebody who mentioned about the people dying every day in California is a lot compared to the ones in Iraq. I dont think voting Bush’s politic would solve the problem in California.. Republicans..
I dont know if anyone does understand any of my little random thoughts. English is not my language..
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