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[malcom]

</font><blockquote><font>quote:</font><hr><font> *britney spears cd’s replaced by The Ramones 1st disc…
</font><hr></blockquote><font>And Britney is derivative of the Ramones how?

I was thinking that Limp should be traded in for Black Flag. Mattman can tell us how they’re so much more hardcore than, say, the Minutemen. <img>

[AGAP]

Obviously not following your rules, thought you might have figured it out…but Hey! Ramones can take care of britney spears fans need for real music…now that they have gotten over being hypnotized by crap!!!

Allison

[buckingham rabbit]

</font><blockquote><font>quote:</font><hr><font>Originally posted by Valentine Frankenstein:
[…now that they have gotten over being hypnotized by crap!!!
</font><hr></blockquote><font>This begs the age-old question: were they really hypnotized or do they just have bad taste? I think that question is at the root of what this whole thread is about. Yeah, everybody has different taste and likes different styles, but there are some bands that ALL people with a semblance of taste will say are crap. Some bad music is even too bad for guilty pleasure. Britney probably falls under this category. But Sum 41 does for sure. Have you ever met anyone with a record collection you respect that listens to that shit? So I’m wondering if it is possible for someone who really thinks that a band the likes of Creed is really, truly great actually has the capacity to *truly* enjoy a great album like, say, ‘You’re Living All Over Me’. Honestly, if some people are born with taste when it comes to clothes and shit like that, then I think the same would apply for music, movies, etc. Maybe I’m just an elitist prick? <img>

[AGAP]

The only people I know who listen to that crap are kids…I’m talking age 8 thru 13, so I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt…so yeah they were hypnotized!!!

Too be honest the only crap music I hear comes from the kids I work with…limp biscrap, britney, nsync, sum41/treble charger(these guys are the same to me, singer from tc manages/guides these guys so… <img> ) I have given up talking music with the people I work with…hair bands are their fav’s…ahhhhh, and yes I mean poison <img>

Not sure people are born with a taste for clothes etc, think the experience of life and how things happen to them influences a lot of that. Same goes for music, I actually know people who don’t listen to anything…anything at all, makes no sense to me but they seem perfectly happy. Maybe the human genome project will identify the gene combo that makes YLAOM have that special effect on us…who knows <img> Then a medication could be made to fix everyone out there who just doesn’t get it <img>

Allison

<small>[ 08-29-2002, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: Valentine Frankenstein ]</small>

[Halfman]

Yes and the genome project was completed last year, at least the part where a complete genetic blueprint of the human body exists. Now, like Allison sez, what to do with it?

Far as taste is concerned, do not forget about timelessness and trends. Sure, we see these bands as maybe overpresented and lacking in some qualities (many qualities) that our favorites have, but will they stand the test of time, as some of our favorites do? A lot of songs in the crap camp are coming-of-age diddies. When the current crop of listeners "come of age" and find that both the lyrics have lesser meaning and the musical quality is not as enriched as the work of others they will more than likely encounter in maturation, some will move to the greener pastures, some will undoubtedly graze in the fields of fancy all their days. Not sure I am up for or qualified for choosing who goes where. Who knows, my future wife could be a greatful recovering Menudoholic. (now that is true fear, folks) Bye.

Tom

Have hope, I made it through the hairmetal years of Poison and the light rumpus of Tiffany, and also the oh-so-tantalizing years of the Egyptian Lover. There is a miracle, Just believe.

[rosa]

</font><blockquote><font>quote:</font><hr><font>I know I’m going to be attacked (probably by Rosa) for labeling, but broad labels are helpful. </font><hr></blockquote><font>Haha. This, from someone whose longstanding quote was ‘Ban the PMRC!’ Sometimes I think you should be a card-carrying member <img>

But my quest to thicken your perspectives has become futile. You’re a nice kid. I just think you need to get out of the midwest, if only for a vacation. Maybe travel to a more diverse part of the country, where the boundaries between people fluctuate and dissolve, and where important decisions are made about domestic policy.

And back to the topic at hand. I think what you’re trying to do here is replace modern bands with the bands from which they drew inspiration. Which would be like saying, ‘don’t listen to Rosa, listen to her dead Grandfather instead! Now THERE’S talent!’

Essentially, all music is influenced by SOMEone. For every generation, music, politics, technology, etc. are handed down, altered, and expanded upon. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. But I think it’s erroneous, and dangerous, to get so caught up in revisionism that young bands don’t get a chance to be heard. It’s also a disservice to the pioneer artists, who worked hard (artistically, beaurocratically) to give young people that very opportunity. I don’t suppose you vote Republican?

If you go around cutting chunks out of things you will inevitably chop off some of the more useful parts. Pop music has its place in our culture, even if elitist lemmings (not necessarily you, dear Malc) think it’s unnecessary and unlistenable. Art isn’t always bad simply because it’s popular, although popularity and art don’t always have the most healthy of relationships. Pop music is both a shining example of capable songwriting and ingenius marketing, and a vulgar display of materialism and sexual exploitation. I think it’s actually a fascinating commentary on our culture. And it’s part of a bigger whole, which should be examined, not censored.

I say, listen to whatever pleases you. But please, paws off my collection.

I don’t hate you, Malk. Just giving my input, as you requested.

Take care,
Rosa

<small>[ 08-29-2002, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: rosa ]</small>

[Mattman]

</font><blockquote><font>quote:</font><hr><font>Originally posted by rosa:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font>quote:</font><hr><font> Um, would this be the wrong thread to mention that I happen to like the Chili Peppers?
</font><hr></blockquote><font>Would this be the wrong thread to mention that you have my heart in that little bucket of sweet Mantis lovin?

I figured the Peppers might be too raunchy for you. Oh, the pleasant ways in which you surprise me.

xo,
Rosa</strong></font><hr></blockquote><font>A misconception I seem to find put on me quite often. Just because I don’t often produce raunch, doesn’t mean I can’t handle it, nor that I’m necessarily offended by it. <img>

…and it’s never the wrong thread to give me a heart in bucket of lovin’. <img>

</font><blockquote><font>quote:</font><hr><font>I don’t suppose you vote Republican?</font><hr></blockquote><font>*ahem* Who’s labelling now? <img>

<small>[ 08-29-2002, 09:08 PM: Message edited by: Mattman ]</small>

[malcom]

Indeed I listen to pop. I just hate premanufactured bands (with the exception of the Monkees <img> ). And I recognize influence, what I’m attacking here is Damnable off-ripping. Flat out derivation is wrong.

And no, I vote third party whenever possible. Although I will generally aim republican in local elections without a third party.

And Alison, I have a 20 year-old coworker who listen’s to N’Sync and has never heard of REM ("are they a Metal band?") Guess who helped provide the insperation for this?

[rosa]

Mantis, I wasn’t labeling, I was asking. I don’t personally subscribe to political bipartisanism but the parties do indeed exist, officially. So <img>

<img> Your email is coming.

xo.

<small>[ 08-29-2002, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: rosa ]</small>

[AGAP]

So malcom what would you suggest in that ACME kinda way for your friends nsync illness…the Monkees <img>

If you start complaining about derivative bands not being worthwhile we may all end up listening to old r & b, jazz etc versus what we all listen to now. Where do you draw the line, what degree is ok for borrowing of sounds/technique,style etc. Why listen to the Hellacopters when I could listen to Sonics Rendezvous Band, Radio Birdman, Alice Cooper, Stones and so on down the line…because they use their influences and mix it up with their own WOW factor and I love it. I have heard that more than a few times from friends, especially related to The Hellacopters, but Hey! You could say Swervedriver was derivative of JAMC, evolved into something pretty pleasing in my opinion. I hear a LOT of Swervedriver/JAMC in Trail of Dead…still like listening to all three. I understand what you’re saying but just don’t take it as seriously as you seem to…sorry <img> I love hearing the influences of the above bands, even when it seems to cross a line of some sort…makes me smile all the time!!!

A 20 year old that listens to nsync, check for frontal lobe dysfunction is my advice <img> I really don’t know anyone who listens to that crap…well, except for a certain someone and the tragically unhip <img> j/k

Allison <img>

[Javro]

Back to a point made much earlier – goth ain’t necessarily quiet – the damned were goth, fields of the nephelim, the cult, all could well be described as goth. And "temple of love" weren’t a quiet song.

And Alison, don’t knock nsync. "ok lady, what’s it gonna take for you to be my baby". fuckin genius. "would you be my girlfriend"?

[SG]

I have a friend that loves Garth Brooks <img> I still respect her regardless,I don`t laugh at her about it cuz I don`t like him or his music,if that`s who she likes,that`s cool with me.
There`s always been crap music,you can go back to the 1920`s,it was`nt the hot jazz of the day that made the charts,it was what was called sweet jazz <img> really watered down jazz,the lite jazz of the era I guess.You can go through the charts since the 20`s and see the amount of crap that was on the charts,crap will problably always be there.
I don`t force any music on people,if they want suggestions,I`ll give them to them but I`m not going to tell them their collection is`nt cool because it does`nt look like mine.I have my opinion on bands and artists and they have theirs.

Is`nt it odd that the Swervedriver/JAMC influence on TOD is`nt talked about though?all you hear about them is "emo band" <img>

[malcom]

Good God! this was intended as a joke. I guess I should just stop telling jokes with all the heavy discussions and what. From now on I’ll stick with the usual I just bought/I’m listening to threads. They seem rather safe.

[fata morgana]

More Replacements: The Cure with Robert Smith’s side project: The Glove ( or The Cure’s "The Top")
Lee "Scratch" Perry’s a pretty interesting dude… Someone at work today asked me if what was playing on the radio was Bob Marley and I said,"are you kidding me with this question?" Rage Against The Machine: make sure when you quote from a book at your show that you don’t repeat "mistakes" of the past (or present, or future) just because you want to look cool…Give me Alberta Hunter anyday… Keiji Heino, in an interview for Wire magazine said: "I want to listen to everything."–Now here’s someone with taste and patience…

Cheers.

[SG]

Alberta Hunter was cool

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