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ok, is it just the Jagmasters or are Jazzy’s and Jag’s kinda muddy too? I know I cant expect it to sound like my Strats but….it sounds muddy, dull and lifeless like my Mustang. Is this just the way that they are designed? Can you change that? The Mustang is Poplar (body) and the Jagmaster is like Agathis or something….which is the same as my Tele (which is twangy). So whats the deal? How can I get a better tone out of that? Remember, it has humbuckers too. I’m thinking about doing the same mods as you all are talking about, 500k CTS’s and new pups…maybe switch to Duncan 1/4 pounds. ? I dont know. The Jagmasters I think just have a bad name but they’re essentially a Jazzy with a Strat bridge and different electronics (that is to say that the neck and body is the same on the 2nd gen. ….full scale versions). Gimme some input..
R/J
im not liking the jagmaster, its okay to mod, but is shit otherwise. i hate the bridge and i hate the neck i tried it.
Which one did you try? Mine is great feeling. They made the short scale first, then the full scale…and now they’re back to short scale again for whatever reason. I don’t want a short scale version but I like mine. The pickups aren’t terrible but I think that they could be a little hotter. Most people think they are already too hot but I’m the opposite on that one. I dont like the cheap 6-screw strat bridge on the short scales but the 2-screw bridge has a great feel and bigger saddles so I like it. I dont know, maybe a lot of them are turds and mine is a gem? I have played about three others and only liked one of those. I havent even seen a short scale one but Im not really complaining.
I think if I wanted to I could burn all the paint off (heat gun) and block in the strat bridge routes and then route it for a Jazzy bridge/tailpiece….dont think it would be THAT hard to do. Refinish it then put a Jazzy pickguard and pups/electronics in it and have a cheap Jazzy. I dont have anything invested in mine, I was given a cab that I traded it for so I’m not in too deep already….but then again….what do I care? I mod my Plymouth Neon hahaha. I’m used to pouring money into something I’m never going to get money back out of.
R/J
"Randy Jane " wrote:ok, is it just the Jagmasters or are Jazzy’s and Jag’s kinda muddy too? I know I cant expect it to sound like my Strats but….it sounds muddy, dull and lifeless like my Mustang. Is this just the way that they are designed? Can you change that? The Mustang is Poplar (body) and the Jagmaster is like Agathis or something….which is the same as my Tele (which is twangy). So whats the deal? How can I get a better tone out of that? Remember, it has humbuckers too. I’m thinking about doing the same mods as you all are talking about, 500k CTS’s and new pups…maybe switch to Duncan 1/4 pounds. ? I dont know. The Jagmasters I think just have a bad name but they’re essentially a Jazzy with a Strat bridge and different electronics (that is to say that the neck and body is the same on the 2nd gen. ….full scale versions). Gimme some input..R/J
the twanginess of the teles comes from their bridge(or atleast thats my understanding of it).
A jagmaster has humbuckers right? Sometimes humbuckers can sound really muddy. But it should also have a nice pronounced midrange. Scale could have something to do with it too.
I think a Jazzmaster(with the long scale and blocks) with a humbucker(nice trebly PAF sound) and the regular Jazzy PU (w/rhythm circuit intact) modded with a mustang bridge and grover tuners would be an awesome custom axe.
Jebus….Ive played tele’s without that bridge that are still twangy……? No clue on that one. Mine has a neck humbucker also…..so that isnt twangy at all, its very beefy. The bridge pup is twangy city though….middle is just right for Mike Johnson style cleans
FU….yeah, humbuckers in the Jagmasters. Scale for sure has something to do with the tone of a guitar. Its hard (even J says this) to get a nice good open sound with a short scale guitar. This is why J doesn’t use them. I put a humbucker in my Mustang, which I’m thinking about putting a different pup in there instead of that lame-o humbucker it has.
I really have this thing for wanting to make things that havent been made before. I want a 2-door Neon SRT-4…..they never made one…so I think I’ll build one from the ground up (like….build….weld together a frame and go from there) with maybe a Skyline engine and Corvette interior and wheels. For a guitar, I think I want a full scale Jag-stang….maybe. With some for sure mods to a lot of the stuff Kurt decided on. I’ll have to think about it some….input?
R/J
I know what you mean with making things that haven’t been made. I found a Rickenbacker 350(like the Susanna Hoffs, deluxe full scale, checker binding, pretty much one of kind so I’ve been told). After much soul searching, I put vintage PU’s on it and an vibrato(no bigbsy holes…yet) on it and I now have my own signature Rick.(LOL, but never seen another one like it).
The neck PU on the Jazz is so awesome, twangy but deep. The bridge PU is great, but I miss that double tone in the treble range which a humbucker gives you. I’m trying to find an epiphone V treble PU from ’98 or ’99 for a future Jazz Project. I won a body on the ‘bay last week. Now I have to find a neck with blocks and binding. Then the assembly will begin.
As far as cars, well I’m fortunate that my dream car sits in my driveway, bone stock, fast as hell and pretty rare. Although I wish I had the confidence/knowhow I have for pulling apart guitars that could be applied to my car. ( a garage may help too…)
okay im first gonna mod the bridge if i dont like the stock one. who knows, i might love it?
but i’ve been thinking about a tune o matic instead of the mustang bridge. any thoughts on this?
Just check that the spacing is the same on the jazz/jag as a Gibby. I know you need what they call "f-spacing" (fender) spacing for PU’s. I guess that the widths of the fingerboards are different. I know that poles don’t line up perfectly if you slap a Gibby humbucker in a fender ala Billy Joe.
I’m gonna take a wild guess and say you’ll hate the bridge. I’m pretty sure J uses a tune-omatic. You’ll likely have to custom install with some wooden dowels.yeah, j uses them and i heard that the mustang bridge gets out of tune like shit and the tune o matics are cheaper.
on jagstang.com it says that if you put in a standard les paul bridge that it will work but some strings will be lower/higher than other.
this is a shit question, but what is electrical tape? is it the silver power tape or the white paper tape? i have no idea?
so wait, theres a wire soldered to the bridge for grounding?
Electrical tape is the black plastic tape. A REAL musicians friend…not a company lol.
Yes, there is a ground wire going to your bridge…otherwise your strings would not be grounded therefore making a nasty noise every time you touch them….also very shocking in a damp basement.
The Gibson stop bar bridge you are reffering to has the radiused saddles (lots of radius that is) and would be annoying…but a lot of people say its a great mod.
My Mustang NEVER goes out of tune. Thats one thing I heard/read about in every review before getting mine and I have kept 12 guage strings on it since 2001 (when I bought it) and have tuned it maybe a dozen times. Use heavy strings….they make it fun to play the guitar, and wont go out of tune.
F-spacing has always been reffered to (to me anyways) as Floyd (rose) spacing. The spacing between Floyd saddles and standard saddles are a lot different from what I understand.
FU – what car do you have? Rare and fast….got my attention….tell please!
R/J
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