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"JK " wrote:DJ had better look out – some cluey fans might get the idea of a forming a class action for the damage they have done to 10000s of damaged ear drums. DJ have the duty of care. Just turn it the f**k down. Deliberately damaging kids ear drums is a pretty low act.
ummm … yeah …. ok ….
"tom_in_chicago " wrote:ummm … yeah …. ok ….I know.. whatever.
ear plugs are for sale, sometimes even free at the shows. Just ask and you will find.research the band you are going to see.
Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. If he thought it was too loud, that’s his thing. If it’s an outdoor festival, then, by all means, play as loud as you fin’ want. Indoor shows should be a little more discretional.
There’s only one show I’ve ever thought was way, way OTT loud and it was a band that you’d never expect to blow your eardrums out of the water. It was not a pleasure.
"JK " wrote:still they proudly advertise these gigs as having the volume on 11/10.Too Loud = Too Stupid = DJ
for years, fans have complained about the stupidly-loud-volume and J doesn’t give a shit. His arrogance is the real problem.
DJ had better look out – some cluey fans might get the idea of a forming a class action for the damage they have done to 10000s of damaged ear drums. DJ have the duty of care. Just turn it the f**k down. Deliberately damaging kids ear drums is a pretty low act.
The greatest hits was titled Ear Bleeding Country and it was not a marketing ploy. It was an accurate description of the sound.
From the inception of the band this was part of the sound. It is not that they are doing it to be low or are deliberately damaging kids ear drums, this is one of the calling cards of the band.I had an experience once after a Fog show in Charlotte where I thought I possibly had long term hearing loss (2 weeks) but I did not at any time during that think "I am going to sue the band….". I knew going in that it would be loud as hell, knew while it was happening that it was loud as hell and made the decision on my own to stick it out. I only had myself to blame and learned from the experience to not have a repeat of going without protection from that point on. They have not all been that loud but it is not a bad practice to take ear plugs to any live show.
Last time I saw Motorhead my ears screamed and popped for two whole days afterwards…….and I was wearing high-quality earplugs fitted with decibel filters at the show. Now THAT’s too loud! But fantastic!
A couple friends who’ve seen Dino over the last year didn’t wear earplugs and their ears were more or less fine the next day. I guess it depends on the quality of the sound, how clean it is, from show to show that’s the issue. The only time I saw them where I thought it was too loud was on the Green Mind tour, though the show at Toad’s last summer was almost too loud. Come to think of it, the Green Mind show was at Toad’s, too. That’s a generally loud room.
I figured this was common knowledge, they’ve been playing this way for 20+ years. I wear protection now to prevent any further hearing loss. I played in a band for many years and did not like wearing plugs. I regret it now that I have tinitus and my ears constantly ring. I can never sit in a quiet place again. But again this was my own fault and not anyone elses.
My wife is going to the show with me tonight and I told her to go buy earplugs today. She knows its going to be loud, but she really has no idea.
"King Tubby " wrote:Last time I saw Motorhead my ears screamed and popped for two whole days afterwards…….and I was wearing high-quality earplugs fitted with decibel filters at the show. Now THAT’s too loud! But fantastic!This is actually an interesting point. like I said earlier, seeing J play live is loud as hell…but it has never hurt me ears in the 20 or so times I’ve seen him.
I saw Motorhead play live and it was loud as hell,too…And it DID hurt my ears. Were they louder? debatable.
I think what it mainly has to do with is guitar tone.
J’s tone is thick and low end. Motorhead’s tone is thin and high end.
I think it’s the TONE of the guitar, coupled with volume, that actually hurts. Not just decibels.
I never wear earplugs at shows, but I found a receipt in my pocket at that Motorhead show and crumpled it up and shoved it in my ears. the fact of the matter is…if it’s hurting you, do something about it. Don’t just complain that the band is too loud.
It’s not your band, it’s not your vision. Make your own band as loud or quiet as you want. But when you go to a show, if the sound of that band’s vision is bothering you, it’s up to YOU to adjust, not the band.
Mike
"anthony " wrote:Dino for the last 3 years is no where near as loud as the FOG. J used to kill us playing in the Fog.
My ears would ring for two days after Fog shows, and I was wearing plugs for all of them.I didn’t wear plugs at all for the LA shows. I didn’t think it was that loud.
It’s funny about the Fog…..J has half the amplifiers up there, yet the Fog have, indeed, often been louder than the recent Dino shows. I guess it’s because he cranks the fewer amps louder and is playing smaller venues with the Fog. The Fog in Baltimore were blindingly loud. Three nights later I was in England seeing Motorhead at Bristol, which was like being hit with a tidal wave of sound. It was a loud week.
There were some obnoxious guys at that Baltimore show yelling for extreme volume before the Fog started. About a third of the way into the set one of them was begging the soundguy to turn it down. Twat.
"mike williamson " wrote:I think what it mainly has to do with is guitar tone.J’s tone is thick and low end. Motorhead’s tone is thin and high end.
I think it’s the TONE of the guitar, coupled with volume, that actually hurts. Not just decibels.
Right. When Campbell hits those high notes in his solos, starting at mid-set when the volume goes through the roof, it makes my eyes cross and sometimes I feel like I’m going to lose my balance. And those guys have never worn earplugs, yet Lemmy insists he can hear just fine. Crazy effers.
"anthony " wrote:Dino for the last 3 years is no where near as loud as the FOG. J used to kill us playing in the FogAfter reading everybody’s reaction……….I have this to say…………Anthony is correct……..it was a Fog show once
that scared me because I went to work the next day and I had a high pitch ringing in my ears all day,
I got scared……….I thought, I’m going to have to live with this the rest of my life…….but it went away by the next evening.
I had ear-plugs but I hate wearing them………….I want to be at a concert not a construction site"mike williamson " wrote:I think it’s the TONE of the guitar, coupled with volume, that actually hurts. Not just decibels.You know what ever the tone, the one that hurts it is the "high" one, a lot of the guitar but…….I almost think it is the sound of the electricity that is being used……….it’s that high pitched almost electrical sound. Am a making any sense? I can’t explain but it’s not only the music that hurts it’s the high pitched stuff that comes when you use electricity.
"mike williamson " wrote:20 some-odd years in and this is an angry surprise to some?I don’t think he was surprised……..I think he is just saying it may not be his cup of tea anymore.
The very interesting thing about the original poster is that he always comes here and bitches about the shows……….the last bitch was the cost of the show, and yet he keeps going back to see them. I wouldn’t give him negative karma for expressing his opinion, although the whole "class action suit" was a little stupid. If I was going to a show where I knew the act was throwing knieves into the crowd, it would be kind of stupid to come out and say "By gosh, I was hit by a knife, what was that all about?"
I would love to see Dinosaur Jr or Fog or any combo at a more normal level but I take it as it is and just make do.
"Annastefka " wrote:I would love to see Dinosaur Jr or Fog or any combo at a more normal level but I take it as it is and just make do.On the first go round of J’s tour for FREE SO FREE, you may remember he did a half acoustic, half rock set. The rock set used the opening band’s equipment.
j was playing up there with just one Marshall half stack. Honestly, it sounded kinda weak.
J’s a great songwriter, but he also created a totally unique soundscape that is half of his legacy. without the amps, something seems wrong.
J acoustic is great. But J playing rock at about 70 watts is weird.
Mike
"Annastefka " wrote:The very interesting thing about the original poster is that he always comes here and bitches about the shows……….the last bitch was the cost of the show, and yet he keeps going back to see them. I wouldn’t give him negative karma for expressing his opinion, although the whole "class action suit" was a little stupid. If I was going to a show where I knew the act was throwing knieves into the crowd, it would be kind of stupid to come out and say "By gosh, I was hit by a knife, what was that all about?"When did I bitch about the cost of the show???? Wrong. I had a bitch about Lou not playing stuff off 3 albums the last tour. I didn’t know in advance. That was it. Others bitched about the same thing after seeing gigs worldwide.
I don’t "keep going back to see them". I’m done after my last experience. I wish them well. Their memory lives on with my cd collection.
The Aussie DJ shows are being advertised with comparison to a "jet engine". My ears were killed after their last show(s). I just don’t like the fact that they (or any other band) think playing loud is ‘cool-for-kids’. My girlfriend is an audiologist – she can tell you professionally how stupid it is to play music THAT loud for the sake of a bravado-reputation.
The ‘class action suit’ got someones attention because now there is a "PLEASE WEAR EARPLUGS THREAD". Sounds to me like a rushed LEGAL DISCLAIMER!!! It wasn’t a threat – I read that other bands have been sued over their volume at concerts – google search and you shall find. If I was the DJ lawyer I would advise them not to advertise comparisons with "jet engines" in their concert promotions. A judge would just love that comparison!!
I take the ‘Ear Bleeding Country’ comment – but when I listen to this fabulous CD I don’t turn my stereo up to MAX VOL and put my head against my speaker to get the full effect – that would be just plain stupid wouldn’t it…
My thoughts will fall on deaf ears
I’m not a troll – blame my girlfriend for educating me – she even has a sticker she gives to schoolkids which says "Hearing Damage is Permanent"
I’ll leave it there. Peace.
For more info please research this website:
http://www.abelard.org/hear/hear.htm”>http://www.abelard.org/hear/hear.htm
Problems with Conventional Earplugs
Musician’s earplugs are not intended for maximum attenuation. For that application, conventional foam or fully sealed pre-moulded hearing protectors or earmuffs are recommended.
Existing earplugs attenuate more than necessary for much of the noise in industry and the environment.
Regardless of their exact construction, existing earplugs produce 10 to 20 dB of high frequency attenuation and the result is that people often reject them because they can’t hear speech clearly.
Conventional earplugs make the wearer’s own voice sound hollow (known as the occlusion effect).
Many people risk their hearing by either wearing earplugs loosely or wearing no protection at all so they will be able to hear voices, machinery or music more clearly.Finally, cottonwool and tissue are useless. They only reduce sound by less than 7 dB.
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Watch your hearing!
Your ears are very delicate, prolonged exposure to sound pressure levels above 85dBA will cause damage to your hearing. If you have ever been to a party or to a concert where loud music was played, you may have experienced Temporary Threshold Shift (TTS). This temporary loss of hearing can become permanent if exposure is done on a regular basis.
One way to tell if you’ve been exposed to excessive sound pressure levels is that you tend to hear a ringing in your ears.
Ringing in your ears, hissing, clicking or buzzing sounds all represent the effects of tinnitus, which is often a side effect of noise-induced hearing loss. Inner-ear cells are sensitive to vibrations. But if they’re damaged, the ears will still record ringing or buzzing, even when there’s no sound.
Remember, it is your high frequency hearing that deteriorates first. Think of what music would sound like if you couldn’t hear anything above 10KHz: just like with a crummy old transistor radio or listening to music over a telephone (no cymbals or high pitched instruments, voices sounding deadened). Protect yourself or just turn it down!
The high frequencies are lost first, so you may have difficulty hearing high-pitched voices. Loss of high-frequency hearing makes many words sound alike, especially those containing the high-frequency sounds S or soft C, F, SH, CH or H. Words like “hill,â€
Unless Dino has a clueless soundperson this time around, or are suddenly playing at truly excessive volume, I don’t understand what all the fuss is about. Sure, they’re loud. But none of the shows I’ve seen since 2005 have been THAT loud.
That’s why I started this thread–I wrote it independently of the band (yes, it happens…).
I also think this thread acts more like a warning label such as what you would see on a pack of cigarettes: ‘Dont smoke it may cause stuff to happen…’
"fata morgana " wrote:That’s why I started this thread–I wrote it independently of the band (yes, it happens…).I also think this thread acts more like a warning label such as what you would see on a pack of cigarettes: ‘Dont smoke it may cause stuff to happen…’
Good point. Not sure about your part of the world, but in my state (Victoria, Australia) smoking will be banned from all pubs, restaurants, nightclubs, concert venues (from June 1st 2007). They realised that smoking IS harmful so it has been banned to avoid venues getting sued by workers affected by smoke. I think the only exempt indoor place is the Melbourne Casino. go figure??
Damage to ears from loud music is still subjective. Many court cases over damaged hearing get thrown out due to lack of specific technical evidence and understanding of the topic. But with more research I think we’ll look back in 20 years and say "how did we let those sound guys get away with it!!??"
My dad suffers deafness due to not wearing earmuffs on construction sites – he now has to wear hearing aids. Dad said you were seen as a "sissy" if you wore earmuffs as an apprentice carpenter. My left eardrum is stuffed from one too many loud concert; constant ringing in that ear. I remember being offered earpluggs at a random concert and saying no – I was embarrassed to have these big orange things sticking out of my ears!! When you hit 30 years old you start to have regrets about these things…
Just general chit chat.
I’d have to think back on about 18 years of attending rock concerts. DJ would be a contender for the loudest. A Kiwi band called ‘Shihad’ might just be a notch higher (so loud I had to leave a gig one night).
BUT… I can say that the venue that DJ are playing at this time in Melbourne (The Forum) is a big classic theatre where the sound is generally aok due to the expansive venue size. And a perfect venue to see a band like DJ for those who haven’t experienced them before. Make sure you look up during the gig and check out the artwork & glow stars on the theatre roof
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