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Hey Antipop,
Scary but I agree with elj about this one, definitely not the way to make a point…killing thousands of innocents, terrorizing the rest of the country… [img]images/smiles/converted/frown.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/converted/confused.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/converted/frown.gif[/img]
As a Canadian next door to big brother I definitely have concerns about them looking at our country for water/hydro electric power etc etc. They have limited the cross border trade in soft lumber which cost Canadians millions/billions in lost jobs, bankrupt companies etc etc. I understand that they do play a huge role in lots of the crap going on in the middle east but that in no way justifies this type of response…no way at all.
Found something by an old tv announcer Gordon Sinclair, he wrote and aired it back in 1973 but somehow it seems kinda relevant today. http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/schools/rta/ccf/news/unique/am_text.html
Here is a link to the realplayer broadcast of the american
http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/schools/rta/ccf/news/unique/american.ramobviously some of it is dated and not relevant but some parts are.
Allison
Well Halfman, I’ve been staring at this reply screen the better part of an hour thinking of how to respond… Every time I thought I had everything I wanted to say, some other thought would add itself to the fold. So, I’ll try to write this as coherent as I can, but if I do start bouncing around, please bare with me. If I there is any confusion, let me know and I’ll try to clarify.
I’d first like to say that I appologize to everyone if it seemed that I came off as a bit harsh in my ‘fight back’ post. I posted that at the one quick moment when the anger phase about this whole deal kicked in. I can tell you that I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve truly been angry in my lifetime. Usually I’m very calm and reserved, if not a little wacky. I’m not taking back what I said however, just that I’m sorry if its delivery was a little harsh. I still feel that way very strongly.
OTOH I also agree with you about gospels and mandates regarding these issues. The US is a free country and thus have the right to complacency. Unfortunately, there are a lot of forces out there that do not respect the rights and opinions of others like you and I, and will take advantage of ignorence and complacency to rip their freedom right from under them. I cannot and will not force them to take up my POV, but I will try to make people aware when their freedoms are in danger. As always, they have the right to ignore me and even the possible consequinces.
I’ve noticed that after any crisis situation, no matter the scale of the events two strong types of personalities will often surface in certain people. The ‘comforters’ who try to ease the emotional pain of the surviors, and the ‘rebuilders’ who are the one’s that say "there is a ploblem, how can I solve it?" It seems that both types tend to develop a general hostility toward the other. The ‘comforters’ feeling that the ‘rebuilders’ are not allowing those in pain enough room for emotional recovery, and the ‘rebuilders’ feeling that the ‘comforters’ aren’t focusing on the reality that there are pieces that need to be picked up. I understand that both the mourning period and the reconstruction of one’s life are both very important, the conflict, as I’ve noticed, seems to revolve around where, exactly, one ends and the other begins. I do not feel I have the authority to say which is right. The thing about me is that I have a little bit of both types. Part of me wants to clutch the grieving person and tell them its OK, and at the same time, part of me is saying "why am I lying to this person? Things are not OK and thus, there is work to do to."
I’d also like to point out that I was in no way trying to promote violence in any way in my other post. I am a very peace-loving and forgiving person. I will go out of my way to avoid a fight, and I believe that diplomacy should always be attempted first. However, I also believe that there are times when diplomacy fails and one may be required to raise one’s fists. I’ve only once ever had to hit another person, and that was in the 6th grade when I had a bully picking on me nearly a week before hand. I tried everything I could to reason with him and avoid a fight, but he only got worse, pushing me around, hitting, taunting all the while. Finally, I had enough, so I socked him in the eye… The next day, the guy shook my hand, told me I was alright, and we were on friendly terms from then on, often joking about the event. That’s not to say I haven’t been challenged since then, but in the other encounters, I’ve always relied on a cool head and quick wit to safely find my way out. My favorite story about one of those encounters is that I used to hang out at this small coffee-shop here in town that shared a parking lot with several bars and nightclubs. Well, one night when I was hanging in the parking lot w/ a couple of friends, some drunken frat type decided to single me out, trying to start a fight, something about my being a long-haired hippie (he was right about the long hair, but I’ve never considered myself a hippie [img]images/smiles/converted/rolleyes.gif[/img] ) Anyway, at first I tried to ignore him, after that failed, I tried to let him know I wasn’t intrested. When he still wouldn’t leave me alone, and started getting more agressive, I finally turned toward him like I was about to fight and immediately dropped into a split (yes, guys can do those.) The guy about fell backwards, muttered something along the lines of "oh shit, this guy knows kung-fu" and bid a hasty exit. [img]images/smiles/converted/cool.gif[/img]
Anyway, I seemed to have lost focus on exactly where I’m going, so I’m gonna end this now…
Mattman,
I am offering my own apology to you. When I posted that thread, my intent was to make sense for myself the depth and weight of everything I had been hearing, seeing and feeling for the last few days. In no way did I intentionally try to imply or point out any undesirable points or takes on your threads. In fact, I would go so far as to say the similarities in the way we think and express ourselves might point to the beginnings of a good friendship. I hope I am clear in this respect. Again, my apologies.I have been struggling also to swallow our imperfections as a nation, due to my own natural tendency to accept everything about our way of life as being just and proper. When I first started reading this post back on page one, I was highly pissed off over the fact that partisianship could even be thought of at a time like this. Maybe this is "separation anxiety" [img]images/smiles/converted/smile.gif[/img] Then, as soon as I went to work, I had my co-worker mindlessly rail off about how the major networks have a liberal bias and how she was so happy to hear "the truth". I am totally against party politics but am very pro- issue and pro-grass roots. I told her I thought everyone should have thier own enclave to hear things in a way they want to. Man, she got pissed! In that respect, I must say tough luck. As Mattman said, some people need to be told of their freedoms and reminded how we, as a civilization, got to the point we are at now. Sometimes, shunning in itself can lead to all sorts of things. But silence at a time action is called for is just as bad if not worse.
Big ups for DIY life ethic!<BLOCKQUOTE><font>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by salamiguy:
<STRONG> "Glad everyone here is safe,I hope Flying Cloud gets in contact with her sister. "</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hello Salamiguy, thank you for your interest. My sister just emailed me that she and her husband, as well as her friends are ok, but still shocked. The email service and phone service were broken down so she couldn’t get in contact with us earlier. Her husband has eyewitnessed how the twin towers crashed in and he is still close to tears.
Well it was good to hear from herHey, I’m glad to hear they’re alright Flying Cloud. In these trying times, any good news is more than welcome.
Holland is now observing three minutes of silence in memory of the victims of tuesday’s attacks….
from Holland, in silence, Ton Bukkems
Just got word from J –
Yeah we’re all ok here. I was in NY it was very sad, I’m on 22nd street so far enough away not to be too affected, the smoke was bad my eyes were all swolen and there were people all over the streets a lot with soot all
over them walking away from the scene. Theres no way to comprehend what is going
through there minds. I left that night and came back to Amherst, but I have a hard time dealing with it all. I just hope we don’t nuke anyone.
thanks J<BLOCKQUOTE><font>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by den buck:
<STRONG>Holland is now observing three minutes of silence in memory of the victims of tuesday’s attacks….from Holland, in silence, Ton Bukkems</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
For what it’s worth, prolly not much, the same thing went on in the rest of the european union today, so I put down my 3 mins too. Can’t help thinking though that it should have been a joint stand for all european countries, not just those in the EU. Seems just stupid to divide europe into two separate parts over a thing like this, as if the fu*#ing Berlin wall was still there. Not gonna start an EU debate in here though, so I’m shutting up about this.Anyways, I’m glad that it now seems like all you people here at freakscene, as well as those near you, came out of the nightmare basically ok.
Yikes! I was kinda worried that J may have been in NY, I’m glad he’s alright. [img]images/smiles/converted/eek.gif[/img]
Hello everyone! I really hope you are all ok out there!What happened is really awful! Terrorism has nothing to do with freedom and killing innocents is just an act of cowardliness! We are all by your side hoping that you are all ok!
As for J i really believe he is very very lucky!
I was there till 7 th of semp !I returned soon enough…Lets believe nothing worst gonna happen- knowing that was an action of war-and that no other innocents gonna die… [img]images/smiles/converted/frown.gif[/img]My bucket runneth over….
us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap.20010914/us/attacks_robertson_falwell_1.htmlThe page you linked to seems to have been removed, Halfman…
By the way, in my really long post, where I talk about my encounter with the fratboy, I meant to say I dropped into a ‘split’ not a ‘slip’. I was pretty out of it at the time I wrote that. Oh well, I made the correction in the original post… [img]images/smiles/converted/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/converted/tongue.gif[/img]
I had a feeling that link wasn’t going to pop. It is on Yahoo right now and it talks about how Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson blame America for this tragedy, talking about sexuality, porn, ACLU, People for the American Way. I am not an advocate of a lot of the things they disparaged, but their bloviating goes way beyond poor taste, even for them.
As far as your post, I didn’t think a change of clothes would scare off a fratboy, maybe get him to ask for your phone number maybe [img]images/smiles/converted/biggrin.gif[/img]
! How’s that for poor taste?
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