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"Rip Van Winkle " wrote:haha, it is certainly not erotic, i saw a couple of videos in sex ed and it was gross. but whatever, its a new life and stuff.
I did too, it sucked. plus it was shot in the 80s so its all big hair and funny lookin people. My teacher was nuts tho, after we watched it she said, "lets watch it backwards it will be funny!" then she did and made us watch it normally again. She was laughing all the way through the video too.
"Elbit " wrote:I did too, it sucked. plus it was shot in the 80s so its all big hair and funny lookin people. My teacher was nuts tho, after we watched it she said, "lets watch it backwards it will be funny!" then she did and made us watch it normally again. She was laughing all the way through the video too.I know. Everything comes out, not just the baby. Or, everything comes out with the baby. Call it… baby accessories.
"fata morgana " wrote:I know. Everything comes out, not just the baby. Or, everything comes out with the baby. Call it… baby accessories.Afterbirth? God I thought i was gonna puke + cry at that part. That was extremely sickening. I don’t think I could watch it in real life… yikes.
Aww the afterbirth is not so bad……..We women are used to blood and bloody pieces of things coming out of us,
the real yuk factor comes with the fact that once you go into labor mother nature shuts off the desire for much food
that is because what is left in the bowels is also eleminated during the last pushes, this happened in my third birth and it caused me to not eat one thing as soon as the first signs of labor began with the fourth. Juan delivered Liliana, our third and handled it all with grace and charm, I was horrified! Each birth however has it’s many beautiful moments, with Liliana, her hand and arm came out first, and for 60 seconds or so the midwife, her assistant and Juan, were saying "look at that beautiful hand, look at those fingers, so sweet." I was grunting and yelping at the time…………then finally, as I was standing up with the assistant supporting me, the midwife showed Juan how to encourage the crowing of the head, finally the baby crowned, and he was able to reach under her shoulders and help her out, he brought her up to me and the both of us held her and each other. We had choosen not to find out the sex before hand, we held the baby, who wasn’t crying much, for about two minutes and then the midwife in all of her wisdom said…"lets see what we have"………..and Juan brought her up and said "a girl". She was born at 9pm, I got cleaned up put on one of those heavy duty "pads" and we went out to dinner (at a friends restaurant that was.closed to the public at the time) because I wanted nothing more than red pepper humus and falafel. That’s Liliana’s birth story in a nutshell.If you work with an ob/gyn chances are you will NOT have a very special birth, you will be allowed to labor, while laying in bed, which does nothing to help the baby come out, look at how women have natural births in other parts of the world, it is not on their backs laying in a bed. The only way to get the baby to fit through the key hole of the birth canal is by moving, getting on all fours and rocking, that helps baby to turn it’s head and work with each contraction. With an OB/GYN you will be given and epidural which will cause you not to feel anything from the waist down, because of that, you can’t stand up and you are forced to lay in a bed…………..the baby then just pushes and pushes their little neck and head around, needing you to help them by moving your body, but you can’t move your body, so you just lay there until, if you are lucky, the baby batters and bangs it’s way through, or most likely, you end up with a c-section, and your baby is taken away from your loving arms within minutes of birth, and while they are looking it over (to make sure they didn’t cut into it while cutting open your uterus), you get to lay there and listen to your new baby scream for you and do nothing about it) Not only that but you have ooozing staples in your belly and you are not able to stand or pick up your baby for the first few days. However, your yoni doesn’t hurt.
If you’re Daddy watching Mommy deliver, up close & personal, you’re sort of "in the zone." At least I was! The blood (and other bodily fluids) are all part of the spectacle that is birthin’ babies.
I was helped to give birth by being fortunate enough to find out about the Bradley method of childbirth………
the Bradley method says "women have been giving birth from the beginning of time…and you to can to it, without medication."
We now have doctors, nurses, midwives and the such to help us out if we get into trouble during labor.
Proponents claim that nearly 90 percent of women who deliver vaginally using the Bradley method to do so without drugs.
The Bradley method rocks……..I also learned I didn’t have to put the ointment in my childrens eyes right after birth, I learned that you can say No, to the vitamin K shot, (none of my children had the vitamin K shot), I also learned that you should not wash the baby for an hour or so because all of that "white stuff" on them is good for their skin. Oh, and to let the cord stop pulsating before cutting it.To me, the videos are way worse. The actual event itself is the most incredible thing I’ve ever experienced.
I was so worried about my wife and the baby, that the afterbirth/blood didnt phase me at all.
My wife got the epiderral(sp) with the first birth, and went natural with the second. She felt like the second one was way better. She liked the fact that she felt like she had control over her body. She did bounce back faster too after going natural. She was on her feet ready to go.
I thought it was weird that the contractions were more painful then actually pushing out the baby.
Not to sound wierd, but childbirth is the closest thing I’ve ever seen that I would consider a miracle.
Wow. Thanks for all that info, Annastefka. I’m gratefull that you share your birthing experiences with us. And everyone else, also.
"Tom " wrote:To me, the videos are way worse. The actual event itself is the most incredible thing I’ve ever experienced.I was so worried about my wife and the baby, that the afterbirth/blood didnt phase me at all.
My wife got the epiderral(sp) with the first birth, and went natural with the second. She felt like the second one was way better. She liked the fact that she felt like she had control over her body. She did bounce back faster too after going natural. She was on her feet ready to go.
I thought it was weird that the contractions were more painful then actually pushing out the baby.
Not to sound wierd, but childbirth is the closest thing I’ve ever seen that I would consider a miracle.
Mabe thats why i don’ t see the beauty of it. Plus iam only 16 and might not be able to comprehend it. I do kinda see it as a miracle tho.
Though it may be the closest thing to a miracle that we ever see; one can’t help to think after witnessing child birth, "there is no way I’m ever going to ba able to please her now, it’s all stetched out". One wonders if life will just become moments of fisting to satisfy her, or is there a possibilty it will shrink back to its normal size.
And typically after the 6 week wait is over us men find that indeed it does shrink back to its normal size and that life of fisting we feared was just our silly imaginations working overtime.
Tonas, Oh my gosh, I can’t believe it’s you talking
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but face the facts………While things go back sort of……they are never exactly the same.
I had a friend who gave birth several weeks after me, she had a midwife also so she didn’t go for the
episiotomy either, my first baby was 9 lbs 0oz and I chose to let a tear happen rather than be cut, I ended up with
three stitches, not to bad….she tore and had five stitches, she asked me "will you look at my yoni and tell me what you see?’
and we ended up squating over a mirror and checking out our damage. We were both a little off kilter.
I imagine most women "snap" back to normal afterwards, and even if you don’t I hear of more and more women having that procedure done where they tighten it back up for you. Apparently its popular with women who have had a few kids.
"tonas " wrote:Apparently its popular with women who have had a few kids.It’s like an inverse circumcision.
CHILDBIRTH, MUSHROOM TRIPPING AND GETTING HIT IN THE HEAD WITH A BEER CAN
it’s all relative.could also be classified as worthless insight from Stefka.
Well, I had a very interesting experience on Friday night and I’ve shared it with several folks around town and I wanted to share it here. The night that Dinosaur Jr. played in Atlanta I was deep in the woods with my group of Women. It is an experience we try to arrange every few years. All of us are very close and have children about the same age. We go alone, hike into the woods, to a very magical place where three mountain streams meet. We set up camp and set aside one day for mushroom tripping. Our experiences are usually wonderfully profound, spiritually and psychologically beneficial. This was no exception and I had a wonderful visit from the "black Madonna" who came to talk with me from inside a tree. I also spent time laying in a field "bleeding" the most intense colors from the top of my head into the grass. I could write for another half hour about everything I went through but that’s not my intention now………this is just a lead up to this Friday night. This past weekend, the same group of women along with a few others and our husbands and children went camping in North Georgia………to another place, one that we didn’t have much of a hike in, only like 1/4 of a mile or so. We went to celebrate and sing songs and share stories and swim in waterfalls with the children etc. On Friday night, we had the children divided into different tents, one for little boys and another for the little girls (they are all friends) and other tents for bigger girls and bigger boys (teens and almost teens) we put the children to bed around 9:30 and soon it became apparent that the little boys were having trouble falling asleep, they were making noises and fussing with each other so I climbed into the tent and answered their pleas for "scary stories." After the second story, one of the Moms unzipped the tent and said "I have a surprise for you" and she opened her hand to reveal a large chocolate heart, that I recognized as leftover mushroom, she said "I have four of them if you want one"……….each chocolate heart is contains about two grams of magic mushroom. "No thank you" I said, and perhaps I said "that’s crazy it’s already ten o’clock at night." Of course the three boys who were still awake barraged me with questions like "What was that?" Which I answered "Mom and Dad treats"…………….anyway, I left the tent around ten twenty with all of the boys asleep. I walked over to the campfire and asked so who’s tripping tonight and so on. About 15 mins. later one of my girl friends (who had consumed a chocolate heart) said out loud "I ‘m not feeling well, I think I am going to try and go to sleep" I’m sure I laughed out loud and said something like "Honey, your not going to sleep anytime soon" She climbed into her tent anyway. My daughter Keeko was still awake and telling stories of her travels. Another friend was playing the guitar and singing and we had water on the fire to make a big batch of tea. We were all mulling around doing our thing when suddenly Our friend, I’ll call her Jenny………came bolting out of her tent and made it about five feet before she began puking. I jumped up to help her and another mom went to get some "baby wipes" to clean her up. She was saying "I don’t feel good, I think something is wrong with these mushrooms." Just then another Dad, who was doing mushrooms also began to puke. We had just done these same mushrooms a few weeks ago and no one puked. Hmmm, I thought………..the other two trippers felt fine and were settling into the giggles. Jenny sat down on the ground and said "I feel strange, I don’t feel good"……..she is someone who has done mushrooms before so this was not a foreign experience for her. She said her heart was racing and she felt very hot. We got her a cold towel to wrap around her body. She stood up and walked around to a tree and sat down and started moaning. It just so happened that we had a friend with us who is a doctor and he came over and took her pulse and was sitting with her. She tried to stand up but could not. "I feel like I’m burning up" she said. We were all kind of looking at her trying to figure out what to do. She was laying on the ground and moaning. We look over at the other trippers who were fine and having a good time, even the fellow who had earlier puked. I don’t know what took me so long but suddenly it dawned on me that she was starting her trip off in a bad way, I mean in her head. Mushrooms are NOT a party drug and I think it was a bit silly for everyone who did, to eat them just for fun, and with the children with us.I knew then that I had to help her with this trip, like a guide and change the direction she was going in. Jenny stood up and leaned up against the tree and started rocking. "Don’t leave me, I’m scared" she said as she held onto my hand with a killer grip. She bent over and was kind of moaning and I looked at the other Mother that was with us and I remembered that we had all helped each other to give birth and I had such an insight into how mushroom tripping is like childbirth………….once labor has started……..you are going on a childbirth trip and you must go with the flow and handle it…….usually with the help of other women who have been there before you and your midwife. I put my hand on her back and began to rub it, much like a good mid-wife or duhla would do and I told her "you can do this, because you are strong"……it had a great affect on her, she became relaxed. I told her how mushroom tripping is like having a natural chidbirth and I reminded her of how brave she is. Us mothers took turns sitting with her and helping her through just as most of us had done with each other during birth. We were all amazed at how each situation was so closely related. She kept wanting to be against this one tree but then she would say "I don’t want to stay against this tree……..and she would walk away only to say….I need the tree again. In my birth experience I felt that way about the bathroom, during transition, the hardest part of childbirth, when like mushroom tripping, you are just out of it, I found myself wanting to sit on the toilet or squat in the bathtub but then I would get into this headspace and say "I don’t want to give birth in the bathroom" and my midwife would lovingly say "okay, lets walk out." and after only several minutes in another room, I would yell out "I want to go back to the bathroom" and Zan Ruby, my mid-wife just said "Okay, to the bathroom it is" over and over I repeated this pattern and three of the women with us that night had been with me and remembered this. My good friend Morgan who was also tripping this evening but having a good time, did the same with her home birth, she wanted to be in front of the fireplace (her baby was born two days after Christmas) but then she would say "I’m to hot" and we would help her stand up and move…………and then she would want the safety of the fireplace again and up we would go. "I’m scared" is something we all said during the hardest part of labor. Zan would look me straight into the eye and say "what are you scared of honey" and I said several times "I think I’m dying" and she lovingly reminded me……..your not dying your having a baby and with just a little more work that baby is going to be safe in his mothers arms. With my third , I was afraid my spine was breaking, I kept crying out "my spine is breaking, my spine is breaking" and Zan said to me…."No, it might feel that way but your spine is not breaking………that is only your baby trying hard to find you" and beautiful words like that gave me the strength to carry on. Jenny again cried out, I can’t breath, I can’t breath, and I remembered our birth stories and I looked into her eyes and said "it may feel that way, but your body knows how to breath and is doing a great job, close your eyes and lets breath together very slow, and we did and she was better. At one point she wanted to call her husband…………who wasn’t with her………in order to get cell service we had to hike out and up a bit…………it was 1 am at this point and I convinced her that it wasn’t the best idea……..her husband is a taurus with pisces moon and he was not only two hours away but would have been worried out of his mind if we had called him and said "your wife is having a bad mushroom trip in the woods and she wanted to see you" I got a big chuckle when I mentioned that my husband , the Leo with moon in Sag would have just laughed his pants off if they had called him about me like that. His reaction would have been been "well, it’s nobody’s fault but hers and she’ll be okay in a few" Anyway we had to "work" with her until about 2:30 AM………..me telling her "your doing great" Wow, you have made a lot of progress. Around two she was able to walk and we went down to the stream and there was a big sort of crater at this spot and she said "it’s all purple inside with sparkles…….which made me say "that’s just J Mascis’ guitar" to which everyone said "what"……….and I got to say "nevermind" many funny things were said that night by all of the tripping folks like "I never knew my shoes were glow in the dark" and another in which one guy was talking about the "big bang theory and somehow it involved pine bark, twix bars and the song "low rider" by War. Anyway…………….I worked hard that night, I was like on duty until I went to bed at 3:30 am, it turns out the others went to bed around 5AM. I was the first one awake at 7:30 and was on breakfast duty for a whole bunch of hungry kids………we had oatmeal with apples ,raisins and pecans …..easy to do over a campfire. When Jenny woke up, I heard her moving around in her tent, I said out loud "bring that baby out so we can see it" which got a big laugh from the adults and a look of confusion from the children.
When I got home on Sunday, I was thinking about how much life is like a mushroom trip………or childbirth……..I have a few things going on right now that could make me bummed out but I’m just going with the flow. I have been having a very difficult time in my marriage…….which as anyone knows is not unusual…….and with us tends to be cyclical. I also need to take someone to small claims court for $4,000 dollars………and the amount is just enough to make me mad but also when I think of the hassle of going to court, it seems like I should just let it slide but then I get pissed which puts me in a very bad head space so I need to remind myself to breath and just let life happen and not get to worked up about it. I see now that women who can not relax and find peace and fight fear can’t have a natural child birth…….it becomes like a bad trip for them. So much of my life right now was summed up watching J Mascis get hit in the head with a beer can, it pissed me off and………it’s like, what the fuck, pardon my language. I’m just getting up everyday just doing my thing and I have to deal with a marriage that is on shake "y" ground and money that I need to reclaim, it’s like life is throwing beer cans at my head and I have to roll with the punches. If one doesn’t learn to roll with the punches then life can get very ugly…………so here I am on my little trip I call life and I’m doing the best I can, I am my own mid-wife, so to speak, holding my self up and cheering my self on. Well, that about all I have to say. Peace, Y’all.
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