- This topic has 29 replies, 1 voice, and was last updated 25 years, 1 month ago by
.
-
Posts
-
‘ don’t like a number of bands that most of you probably adore. Here are 2 for starters – Led Zeppelin + Pink Floyd. ‘
i was sort of on the cusp of led zep and floyd. I was 17 in 1976 and punk was sweeping london but the big old monsters were still filling arenas. it became obligatory to hate em
i tended to more preoccupied with problems with my jeans -flared or straight? the decision was fairly crucial socialy:-)
actually i do like the odd radiohead track, but i dont see em as anything special. anyone that spells his name Thom and who isnt actually scandinavian I find suspicious
k
<BLOCKQUOTE><font>quote:</font><HR>
anyone that spells his name Thom and who isnt actually scandinavian I find suspicious
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>[img]http://www.freakscene.net/ubb/smilies/lol.gif[/img]
jeremiah
Administrator
Sold my soul and all I got was this lousy T-shirt…<BLOCKQUOTE><font>quote:</font><HR>
I suppose Ive done it now, I’ll go hide
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>[img]http://www.freakscene.net/ubb/smilies/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] no reason to hide, that’s yer opinion and this is the right forum for that! I don’t like a number of bands that most of you probably adore. Here are 2 for starters – Led Zeppelin + Pink Floyd. I’ve tried to get into them but I just don’t get it. In fact, don’t like is an understatement, my radio changes itself whenever that crap hits the airwaves. Oh well, now I’ve done it [img]http://www.freakscene.net/ubb/smilies/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
jeremiah
<BLOCKQUOTE><font>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kockney:
Has it really been 10 years since that gig? My ,how time flies.I cant recall whether I ever heard mbv on disc, I do recall even at this distance how many column inches they got in that bastion of pseudery the NME. A lot of people claimed to like them back then. Mind you, some people like Radiohead now, yet all I hear is the sweepings off the floor from the Dark Side of the Moon sessions, outright plagiarism and lyrics that would make even a 1st year english student blush!
I suppose Ive done it now, I’ll go hide
K
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
don’t get me wrong, i’m not jumping on your case or anything. you’ve got a point, rock journalism tends to hype things way too much only to abandon the band a few years later. and the new radiohead, well, join the club. i’ve heard a few songs and i don’t really like or dislike it, but i’m sick of the hype.
Keith
as a scandinavian I must say that the name Thom is very rare thing to be named here
Sven, Preben, Björn and stuff like that there we have scandinavian names
My opinion on J’s solos is that the "parody" theory posed here is a load of crap (sorry). I think it’s called influence, plain and simple (yes we can be influenced even by styles of play we do not like). J’s solo’s are great because they are raw, gutsy and full of feeling. They fit the songs, period. The parody theory assumes a level of technical prowess that I think J simply does not have. I think J hears things in his head and then "jams" or freestyles until he finds something to build on. That’s the way I do it too, only with much less talent than The Man.
Jeremiah, I have never been into 70’s rock myself, but I really like (some) Pink Floyd and I have a challenge for you: Take an hour and listen to the Animals album, with headphones, some night by yourself with no distractions, and I bet if you go into it with an open mind you’ll be blown away. I’m not talking poppy dark side of the moon crap here…check it out.
Chris [img]http://www.freakscene.net/ubb/smilies/earl.gif[/img]There’s a lot I don’t know about Pink Floyd, but I really like some of the Roger Waters albums. Yes, the "poppy" Dark Side of the Moon, and The Wall. I think this is some of the most depressing music of the 20th century, and I think it’s beatiful.
"The sun is the same, in a relative way, but you’re older. Shorter of breath, and one day closer to death."
"Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way."
"I have grown older, and you have grown colder, and nothing is very much fun, anymore."
And, of course, to connect this post with the title of of this topic – "Time" has a great guitar solo.
Jasper
"Finally, there can be no doubt that the one characteristic of ‘reality’ is that it lacks essence. That is not to say that is has no essence, but merely lacks it. (The reality I speak of here is the same one Hobbes described, but a little smaller.) Therefore the Cartesian dictum ‘I think, therefore I am’ might better be expressed ‘Hey, there goes Edna with a saxophone!’"– Woody Allen
[This message has been edited by jasper (edited October 17, 2000).]
Are you talking about the Rollercoaster gigs Kockney?
I followed that whole tour around the UK (cardiff, Birmingham, Glasgow and London).
Do you remember the video whilst Blur were playing (one of the band taking a dump and then rewinding it so it went back up??)
Very "arty" Damon. Jesus. And My Bloody Valentine have always been shit live. Always. Five minute open chorded noise ain’t my thang.
Jesus and Mary Chain were cool though. I also remember seeing Radiohead at the Pink Toothbrush in Rayleigh (Essex for all you American fellows) at about the same time (1990ish I guess)
They were shit then too.
yes the rollercoaster gigs, i only saw the one in my town (brixton) After the gig we went back to the car and it wouldnt start. I kept turning the key and no engine. then I heard a terrible noise. in fact the engine had started first time but i was too deaf to hear it. the terrible noise was my starter motor protesting at being engaged against a revving engine. I blame J of course.
nice to see someone quoting dark side of the moon. (I mean apart from radiohead that is.) it was a great album. i think it probably still is. they got bloated and silly at the end, but when you consider the technology they made that lp with it really is even more impressive. And that womans voice still melts the speakers
K
To get back to the subject:
The thing where J is so much better at than other guitarists, is putting emotion into his solo. And that is probably the influence of Neil Young. I remember Young once saying there can be so much emotion in just one note or a simple guitarriff. (Listen to ‘Everybody knows this is nowhere’!!!you’ll understand)
If you listen to legendary guitarists like Steve Vai and Joe Satriani, you see that they are technically better than J (and way better than Young), but they can’t put that amount of emotion into their solo’s. The only one who can play like J, though in a very different way, is Jimi Hendrix, definitly the greatest guitarist of all times, but he lacks that beauty off his solos, in his songs, which make them weaker, and less good than J’s.
oh god i really like the solo in the song thumb
<BLOCKQUOTE><font>quote:</font><HR>
i never knew a rubber doll would be so hard to please-j.mascis [img]http://www.freakscene.net/ubb/smilies/lol.gif[/img]
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I’m all about solos myself, of coarse I’m a guitarist and that tends to help.
I’ve pissed off my share of people by soloing too much back when I was first really getting the hang of it. I’ve learned to better tell where a solo needs to go since then, but sometimes it is cool to just open up.
I also improv all of my solos. Samwise is right about Steve Vai and the likes… I never could get into that ultra technical stuff. It’s like it has no soul behind it. If that’s the case, why not let a computer do it for you..? [img]http://www.freakscene.net/ubb/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
~Mattman
"If you can’t pay money… At least pay attention!" – My DadYes the emotion, but also I think the sense of rhythm – the attacks and retreats and of course they are jazz like in that the solo is always aware of the tune and is playing around it, Any fool can ‘solo’ in a freeform way. Respecting the tune is far harder to do. I also enjoy the ‘solos’ that are mixed down almost to nothing – just audible really
If a solo is not the loudest thing in the mix, is it a solo at all? Or just one of the instruments?
K
n
Is the solo a solo if it’s behind instruments? (Good question if you listen to Dino)
Well if you ask me I’d say no. Basically the definition of a solo is something you do louder than the other instruments, its something outstanding. And in lots of J’s songs, the solo becomes part of the song.
I don’t know someone would do that (except if you let it die away almost instantly), but I think there is a difference in the solo’s louder, and the solo’s together with the instruments. I think J really plays different if it’s behind vocals or leadguitar. I think he doesn’t play it as high and not as, I can’t really find the words. The solo’s just more conservative than a real solo.
Also, I think your right about respecting the tune. I, as a beginning guitarist, know how hard it is to play a solo that fits with the song. It’s said to hear how many solo’s lack in that part.
Hope you got what I’m trying to say.Olaf
"How bad your life may suck….it’s always better than the movie.."I agree… It seems to me that it is the middle ground between emotion and technique where one will find the best sound.
That’s what I strive for in my playing. I’m not real big in the atonal stuff. It works for some bands (My Bloody Valentine and, on occasion, Yo La Tengo) but not for me.
"If you can’t pay money… At least pay attention!" – My Dad
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.