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July 18, 2005 at 8:34 am #111112
I don’t find pits annoying at all, esp. being a chick, tho I am 5’10" and can pretty much hold my own. I like being on the edge, and pushing people (in a helpful way of course) when they get to the circle’s edge. At Boston, I was glad to see some stage diving and I think you just have to go with it, esp. if you’re going to be up front like that. If I were down there, I’d have been passing that guy around to the back>>that’d be your revenge!
July 18, 2005 at 9:05 am #111113"lookitssam" wrote:Moshing at a Pavement show? I wonder what that would look like…they just did it reeeeallllyyyyy ssssllllllloooooowwwwwly

There were a few dopes at the Spaceland show but other than that I haven’t seen any moshing in, oh, 10 years or so ?
Good riddance.
July 18, 2005 at 9:16 am #111114You have to remember that Pavement was a raw act back when they toured with Gary. I saw them many times, but I remember a show at Maxwell’s (NJ) where we were smoking a joint in front of the stage as they were getting ready to play, and Gary came out from his kit and smoked with us (we had done it previously) until Spiral shoved him back towards the drums. They would play something like Debris Slide and it was like you were at an Agnostic Front show!
July 18, 2005 at 11:18 am #111115Damn, you talked to Gary Young? That guy’s awesome.
Feels weird talking to all these older people who where there when shit went down. I feel like a poser
July 19, 2005 at 3:19 am #111116whenever I saw Gary Young he was far from awesome. As amusing as handstands and cartwheels are, it’s not big or clever to fall over your own drumkit. you just knew that Malkmus and Scott wanted rid.
he could certainly drink a lot of vodka though.
July 19, 2005 at 7:38 am #111117moshing can be quite annoying. but the one show on this tour i’ve seen was kind of surreal from the lack of movement.. this one knuckle-head next to me was actually trying to talk on his cellphone during dinosaur’s set.
and I also couldn’t believe that there wasn’t even a line outside the club when i got there. i was only about 30 minutes early and i was like the 9th person in line. i was dissapointed by the lack of enthusiasmJuly 19, 2005 at 4:08 pm #111118I personally don’t see how one could go to a live show, be into the music, and NOT move. It amazes me how people can just stand there while incredible art and energy are flowing all around them – especially at a show where the music is more aggressive. I don’t know how it is in other cities, but people pretty much stopped moshing in Toronto in the late ’90s, and it’s never been the same since. We’re a pretty jaded crowd, I think.
I personally like moshing at shows, because I get off on the energy of the crowd as much as the energy onstage. I agree that nowadays if people are moving, they seem to be more the drunken fratboy types that are deliberately trying to be aggressive, rather than people just _really_ into the music. There used to be an unspoken pit etiquette: don’t flail uncontrollably and accidentally punch someone; if you’re surfing you keep your boots up so you don’t kick people in the head. If someone fell down, there were always scores of hands reached out to help them back up. If somebody wanted out, people would clear the way. 99% of the time there was this incredible comeraderie between hundreds of people who didn’t know each other – look out for everybody, and have fun. The only thing that really bothered me (as a woman), were when guys would use the closeness and anonymity as an opportunity to grab tits. There are jackasses in every crowd, I guess.
When people start moving, you know what to expect – you can move out of the way, or you can join ’em. I’ve had bruises all over my back countless times from being at the front with a raging pit behind me, and honestly it never took away from my enjoyment one bit. I guess I get so into the show that nothing can distract me.
I’ve still got scars from seeing the Ramones.
July 19, 2005 at 4:49 pm #111119"bruisemymind" wrote:I personally don’t see how one could go to a live show, be into the music, and NOT move.That would be me, When I see J Mascis, I like to stand up near the front and the only thing that moves is my mouth, it moves into this huge smile. I go to the YMCA a few times a week to move. My husband however is totally into moving, and dancing and singing, and pechas, I guess it takes all kinds of folks to make the world go ’round.
July 19, 2005 at 6:16 pm #111120sometimes i dont move, sometimes music is not worthy of my full movement, dinosaur moves me though haha
July 19, 2005 at 6:38 pm #111121I’ve never been big on moshing either, but sometimes I get a little defacto revenge when one of the moshers strays out of the pit and runs into me. I weigh about 30 – 40lbs more than I look like I weigh, and most of this is in my lower body since I have naturally powerful legs (cleverly concealed by my loose clothing). This gives me a low center of gravity… I barely move at all when someone plows into me.
I hear that those sudden stops can hurt.
July 20, 2005 at 12:17 pm #111122[Moshing at a Pavement show? I wonder what that would look like…]
This is pretty funny. I had never really heard much Pavement but had heard good things about them. They came to Cleveland in 94′ I think – and I decided to check them out. At this point, moshing was probably at it’s most annoying.
After tolerating an hour of a lousy opening act, Pavement hit the stage and started off with a slow, melancholy number – to which the crowd began slam dancing like crazy – as if they were listening to a completely different show or something.
Midway through their 2nd song, someone ‘surfing the crowd’ fell on the back of my head and slammed my face against the monitor on the front of the stage. I was knocked out cold, and was eventually woken up by Pavement’s bassist asking me if I was okay.
I spent the rest of the night in the back of the club with a cup of ice on my face. I wound up never really getting in to Pavement.[/quote]
July 20, 2005 at 12:26 pm #111123Wow, that’s a crazy story! You should give them another try (maybe in the safety of your own home
). They have some good stuff and the reissues of Slanted and Enchanted and Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain are great!July 20, 2005 at 1:39 pm #111124"clevelander" wrote:I spent the rest of the night in the back of the club with a cup of ice on my face. I wound up never really getting in to Pavement.[/quote]
July 20, 2005 at 4:38 pm #111125I will be attending the show at The Rave in Milwaukee. ive been there many times and theres usually very minimal moshing. except for the slipknot concert, that was nuts. The room Dinosaur Jr. will be playing has a balcony, so you can just go up there and watch everybody beat the crap out of each other and enjoy the show without morons pushing into you and stuff.
July 20, 2005 at 5:27 pm #111126i love dancing, music is meant to cause movement, but it must come natural, if you are moving just to try and hurt others then you have no business being at the show, go find a football americano team to tackle your time with, moshing used to be artful if any can believe that, many becoming one with and for the music, now to agression and top that power playism. I avoided the small pits last night in Cleveland but rocked out in my own space for most of the show, hell all of the show on some level, too good not to move…
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