[Chicago_Fog]

This is a really pathetic response and I am sorry this is what you consider an intelligent reply to this issue. It is by far the weakest, illogical and self serving reply I have ever encountered on the topic.

You have not come close to making a case, laying it out logically or proving anything other than you have an invisible friend (power) that you really think listens to you.
Hiding behind the word spirituality is a cop out for lack of being able to substantiate your ridiculous claims.

Yet, you doubt my location which you could prove by several methods (Ip tracing etc..and who lies about being in Chicago? Its frozen here 8 months a year.)–Yet all this other Tarot card gibberish is the way the Universe operates and I’m just missing out. Please.

You can have the last word. I’m done in here.

[Chicago_Fog]

Okay, a lot about pooping in the woods…

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plus having Fog as part of your name makes me smile. That force that holds atoms together, that same force and interconnects us all…..

This makes no sense as it is. Please extrapolate.
Fog in my username is from J Mascis and the Fog…that’s it and that’s all.

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Thats where true peace is found…the peace that passes all understanding. My oldest, right now is totally on a Hindu/Shiva trip….taking time to read and understand, she is going to the Library and has visited with friends who practice this religion. I really will support them in whatever way they decide to turn inwards.

Really, you will support them if they come to you say, Hey none of this has any true understanding of the Universe and I choose to not believe in this nonsense…or hey I think I’m a Satanist or Hey’ I believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster -You will back them up? Based on these posts -I doubt it.

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I think it is important for my kids to understand and to connect to their inner life…to spirit….it is as important to feed the soul as it is to feed the tummy.

That is nonsense, take two months off from food and take two month of from your supernatural talks. See which one you can easily survive without.

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I find that with prayer and meditation…life becomes almost effortless…..problems become easily fixed..instead of causing strife problems seem almost inconsequential, most often humorous..as solution manifests itself almost magically….but I can always tell when I haven’t made time for God…my life will get bat shat crazy….my day full of flusters and then…..I’m always like….Geez, I need to stop and connect.

Do you honestly believe this? Really? Do you have any idea how shallow, selfish and obnoxious thinking like this?
This almost gets me angry. Why do you think you are so special that an invisible force is listening to you? ….and answers you. How small is your world? What about all the people who do not have their prayers answered? Were they less sincere? Were they less important than you? Were they praying to the wrong deity? Were they subhuman? did they not ‘get’ the correct image in the Kevin Smith movie (he also directed Dogma which mocks religion specifically The Catholic Church.) Did the people praying on the planes that crash not say ‘Amen?’ Were they a bunch of sinners? Was God pooping in the woods with his friends when the plane was going down and he couldn’t get to them in time? Of course not. No one is listening to you. There are no powers paying special attention to your needs. You mention ‘Faith’ and I am supposed to say ‘oh okay’ and back off. No its dumb and I am going to call you on it and say its bullshit. You say your life becomes ‘effortless’ you have ‘magical’ solutions when you whisper to the sky. That’s how crazy people talk -period. The only thing Bat Shit crazy is you believing God is paying special attention to your special needs. You do need to stop and connect -WITH REALITY.

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Fly an airplane into a building? What? The Son of Sam, I think it was his neighbors dog that was telling him, in his mind, what to do. When one does crazy things…it’s not the "spiritual" part of them that makes them do the crazy things…it’s the crazy inside of them that makes them do crazy things.

Great analogy!(seriously) what is different from someone thinking the neighbor’s dog is guiding him as opposed to someone thinking an invisible ‘power’ is guiding him. Both are equally concerning to me. We can see the dog and say ‘Wow! that’s crazy’ ..and he believed in the Dog so much that he killed people! We again say "Wow, that’s crazy" but at the exact same time people gather in churches and believe they are drinking the blood of a 2000 year old man…not symbolic but REALLY believe it is flesh and blood that they are consuming. They believe whole heartedly in ‘The Holy Spirit.’ And to even doubt the existence of this spirit is the ONLY sin that there is zero chance of being saved from. I say all of that (and I could go on for hours with more examples) is just as crazy as the guy who talks to the dog.
both will and have taken their delusion to the point of murder.

My argument is this: The guy who talks to the Dog is equally delusional and dangerous as the person talking to ‘Spiritual Power’s" One society openly accepts as crazy, the other mankind will eventually accept as crazy.

In your quote you actually confirm my point there is no outside force. It is only the person acting crazy and believing a delusion. Take that point and apply it to an Abrahamic God. Now, if you start believing a delusion to be real, and you take the messages of the bible or Koran, etc. most of us should be killed or I should have 300 wives, etc.. A person of perfect faith is a very dangerous person indeed. If you take for example The Westboro Baptist Church these people understand what the Bible actually says better than most Christians. I don’t see how any reasonable person can not say that is alarming and downright frightening. I gather that you are taking the stance that if I don’t practice all the quirks and rituals of an organized Religion that somehow makes you "less extreme" or "no threat" but that simply tells me you are picking and choosing what "fits" for you and dismissing the parts that don’t "fit." Any person talking to a Dog or a "Spirit" is (and should be) equally of concern. You point out an example where a man believes a dog is talking to him and he kills, do you have any idea how many times I tell you about a time where someone believed that God or a spirit (Holy) told him to kill? Thousands of times perhaps millions of times. I would bet you never for a moment believe that a man lived inside a fish (I hope) as the Bible states. So the discussion would need to narrowed to a definition of who you are praying to. An Abrahamic God, Jesus, Horus, The Flying Spaghetti Monster or is it another more vague unnamed Deity? Is the power you are praying to The Natural World? Once that is defined we could drill into it further. Or we could talk about J. There is no need to pray for me.

Before replying, please give this a read. It is also music related and I am confident you will find it educational if not simply interesting.
http://is.gd/1uYAi”>http://is.gd/1uYAi

Edit: saw this today and thought about your post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dyPiIcLK90&feature=player_embedded _dyPiIcL … r_embedded

P.S. If you select the option to keep you logged in on the login page, you do not have to enter your credentials before submitting a post. Hope this helps.

[Chicago_Fog]

"Annastefka" wrote:

"Chicago_Fog" wrote:

It never stops being scary–the amount of people that talk to their invisible friend(s) in the sky."

"Annastefka" wrote:

Really Fog…if you find it scary…that means your scared….I don’t dig fear….you shouldn’t either. I have no invisible "friends" in the sky…but I have found a source of great spiritual power (like your pink unicorn)
It’s stems from the very center of the Atoms circulating among me and goes straight into the sky and beyond.

I laugh out loud at your response. …
Yep, that’s what I said I am afraid of faith based people. You just said what I said…but again. Brilliant! You got me on that one.
……..and yes I am still afraid of faith based people. Faith based people fly planes into buildings.
You don’t dig fear okaaay. great…

Now what’s this??!?! you have some sort of beam shooting up in to the sky…Wow!
Did you look up The Invisible Pink Unicorn? Its meant to parody faith -yet you’ve taken it to a new level with Atoms & your supernatural powers. I can only hope you reply. I’d love to hear more!
Wait, one more thing:
Is your source of great spiritual power the 3 wolves shirt from Amazon.com? (look this one up b4 you refer to it as ‘mine’) What can you do with this great power? I eagerly await your reply. I may not be back in here for awhile so PLEASE PM me your replies– I DO NOT want to miss this.

*Remember lots of specifics on the source of the spiritual powers…

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Connecting with this source is pretty cool………Well, as I love to say..(when friends are in crisis or at some sort of crossroad in life)….IN the middle of your ayahuasca trip is not the time to discover you need to get right (in alignment) with God.
Getting in alignment means tuning into the God frequency, Christ frequency (doesn’t matter what you call it)…raising your vibration out of fear out of judgement (I know..it’s always a work in progress…esp. for me)
and then you kind of remain in love.

You know, I liken it to that movie "clerks" no, no the other film that guy did "Mallrats" and there is the fellow that is forever standing in front of those things they use to have in malls…that sort of 3-D thing…that you stand in front of and let your focus relax and then you see the image. "God" (for lack of a better word…that’s the one we have…"Bog" "Allah" "Dios" whatever) takes effort….I can’t make you or anyone else see it…..but once you do…..you will never not see it!!!!
I understand the frustration with "religion"…..I fill in as a 911 operator from time to time, and one of the saddest calls I ever handled (and I’ve heard a lot of heartbreak) was a women from Prince Avenue Baptist Church (one of our biggest Baptist churches in Athens) and she called (she had her husband with her so she wasn’t alone) to tell me that she was there to open the church on Sunday morning get the coffee started and such…..and that there was a homeless man camped up under the porch that leads into the church…and she needed an officer to come and remove him before the rest of the congregation started to arrive….I couldn’t believe it…..I was like "Did you think to invite him in for coffee..perhaps see if he would like to get his Jesus on with you." I mean WWJD..for real! (So I’ve seen it all ,almost) and understand how easy it is to make fun of God.
Rita Marley wrote a great song called "Thank you Ja" that song sums it up for me…you should have a listen to it sometime.
Now, I’m sure to have pissed of rspaceman because I didn’t figure out a way to bring Dinosaur Jr. into all of this. I edited this to reflect a song I think speaks to Chicago Fog from me…Rita sings…you can keep your opinion…I like to pray…. listen here:

That’s some deep shit! I’m convinced!
As far as getting good with God. When I had cancer it was science that saved my life not God or "powers".
I wish we could sit down and have a debate you could bring up Mallrats and 3D signs…and ramble on about 911 calls. None of which comes remotely close to proving your claims of a God.
Seems more like a lot of neurological events.
Its okay… its not easy being an Atheist in America. I have to deal with listening to stuff like this all the time. I couldn’t imagine let alone being in a small Southern town.

Since you sent me a YouTube link with a song from a Reggae musician to view to help convince me of God…Allow me to make a recommendation for you:
Stephen Hawking’s A Brief History of Time:
http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168″>http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Tim … 0553380168

Well, I hope the invisible powers you have your kids pray to don’t tell them to fly a plane into the buildings my kids will be working in.

JUST AN EDIT TO LAUGH MY ASS OF AT THIS: It’s stems from the very center of the Atoms circulating among me and goes straight into the sky and beyond. –

[Chicago_Fog]

"Annastefka" wrote:

I know a few of you have teenagers………..Are they not the best when you have raised them doing your very best?

Last night my oldest two children stayed up with me and right before Dinosaur Jr came on I said outloud (half joking) "Pray for Dinosaur jr!" and my son said……….."prayer wont work for them"….I was shocked and said "what do you mean?"……..and he said " it’s too late for prayer"….and I said "no, they are just getting ready to go on, it’s never to late for prayer"….and then he, in all of his little wisdom said "Mom, it said before the show that it was recorded at 5:30 pm…you ding-dong, you can go ahead and pray, but it’s already been done……Okay, Good point, Juan Carlos.
Although, I think Murph could use all the prayer he can get even after the fact……….Murph was great BTW, I’m always ragging on Murph, he did a great job.

It never stops being scary–the amount of people that talk to their invisible friend(s) in the sky.

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"Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can’t see them."

[Chicago_Fog]

Oh man. I bet the band feels like David Hasselhoff right now. They are about to go on TV and OJ goes on a driving spree! With all these celeb deaths…attention is totally diverted…bummer across the board!

[Chicago_Fog]

Awesome. I was hoping for those BandBench tixs but no one I know got them…bummer or I would have been there.

[Chicago_Fog]

yea I entered 4 times and had my GF do the same plus I know a few people on here and they entered…nothing.
Too bad I was going to fly in if I got Tixs. I hope someone from here actually gets in.

[Chicago_Fog]

Did anyone get tickets for this?? No one I know got any type of reply from entering for Tixs.

[Chicago_Fog]

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Hell, I bought a Purple J Jazzmaster, and a silver pair of Nikes i would’ve never bought if they werent Dino. If someone thinks I did something wrong or I’m a bad person because I downloaded an album that I’m buying 4 copies of, I can live with it.

!Exactly! We should post pics of our Jazzmaster, dunks, and all the other staggering amounts of gear we purchased to support J over the years and say when you have spent more than this- you can whine about me downloading a copy (that I will buy numerous copies of) a few weeks early.

[Chicago_Fog]

"andyfest" wrote:

"Chicago_Fog" wrote:

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Wrong. Many people pay for music — those who believe that, you know, musicians should be PAID for their work. Not everyone steals from musicians.

If you need proof of how grossly innacurate this, look into Saul Williams release that Reznor produced. Less than 18 percent paid for the album when it cost 5 dollars, was produced by one of the biggest and most respected names in the music industry and targeted at a very loyal fan base also knowing the money would go right into the artist pocket. LESS THAN 18%. He still sold more records and made more money than he would have with a "tradional label" too.

So that would without question put you in a clear minority. Especially when you take away the variables mentioned about above and point someone to Target or Itunes to make their purchase. This is one example, I can repeat these results time and time again. There is an entire generation that thinks music is free because technology has made it so. Rather than getting pissy about a leak wrap your mind around where we are today. The best thing you can do to truly help your favorite band is NOT buying a CD but by generating a buzz (not with $$ marketing) and getting people out to shows and the main thing I (and most people) want in my arsenal to do this is music. Get people to shows, get the music out and stop worrying about us musicians when you buy our CDs it does very little for most of us. Again, welcome to where we are in the industry.

P.S One more point that dials in on how clueless you are No torrent has EVER been removed EVER from the Pirate Bay. So "reporting it to the label to have it shut down" is a process that does not work or really even exist. Look into it.

My take on illegal downloads is that I wouldn’t walk into Walmart and steal a CD off the shelf so why would I download the music for free illegally? It’s not about the bands making money or not it’s about the fact that you’re STEALING.

I realize everyone does it, it’s harder to get caught, etc. but to me there’s no difference. Don’t mean to sound like mom or dad here, it’s just the way I see the issue.

My example is a situation where the album is FREE with an option to purchase. No one is talking about theft in this case.

[Chicago_Fog]

"two reelers" wrote:

ts like in midle age, when the king hold a court of slaved artists to entertain him.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Chicago_Fog]

"weezerfreak942" wrote:

Not true. J has said that he makes all his money from live shows.

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Me- What about Napster? What do you guys think about that issue?

Mascis- Well my first feeling was whatever Metallica was against, I was for (laughs). But really, I’m all for it.

Watt- I’m for it.

Me- What about the arguement that it takes away from record sales?

Watt- I don’t make my money from album sales. I make my money from gigs. I think the songs on Napster are like flyers for the shows.

http://www.hootpage.com/hoot_fogintrvw010405.html”>http://www.hootpage.com/hoot_fogintrvw010405.html

hard to fully understand out of context, but indie musicians tend to make music from the shows. J says they recorded new music in the first place so theyd have new songs to play live. Not because they were short on cash.

Great point and you are 100% correct!

[Chicago_Fog]

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Wrong. Many people pay for music — those who believe that, you know, musicians should be PAID for their work. Not everyone steals from musicians.

If you need proof of how grossly innacurate this, look into Saul Williams release that Reznor produced. Less than 18 percent paid for the album when it cost 5 dollars, was produced by one of the biggest and most respected names in the music industry and targeted at a very loyal fan base also knowing the money would go right into the artist pocket. LESS THAN 18%. He still sold more records and made more money than he would have with a "tradional label" too.

So that would without question put you in a clear minority. Especially when you take away the variables mentioned about above and point someone to Target or Itunes to make their purchase. This is one example, I can repeat these results time and time again. There is an entire generation that thinks music is free because technology has made it so. Rather than getting pissy about a leak wrap your mind around where we are today. The best thing you can do to truly help your favorite band is NOT buying a CD but by generating a buzz (not with $$ marketing) and getting people out to shows and the main thing I (and most people) want in my arsenal to do this is music. Get people to shows, get the music out and stop worrying about us musicians when you buy our CDs it does very little for most of us. Again, welcome to where we are in the industry.

P.S One more point that dials in on how clueless you are No torrent has EVER been removed EVER from the Pirate Bay. So "reporting it to the label to have it shut down" is a process that does not work or really even exist. Look into it.

[Chicago_Fog]

"King Tubby" wrote:

"Chicago_Fog" wrote:

People DO NOT pay for music

Wrong. Many people pay for music — those who believe that, you know, musicians should be PAID for their work. Not everyone steals from musicians.

"Chicago_Fog" wrote:

Rather then telling me about Web Sherrif it would be outstanding to propose some new ideas as to how we could make this a winwin for us all.

OK, how about this? BUY the fucking record/cd and don’t upload it to free download sites. When you find a leak, send a note to the label so they can have it shut down.

There’s something to be said for not capitulating to the "music is free so why don’t I just go ahead and steal it like everyone else" model. Your position just amounts to plain laziness at best, and cynical theft at worst.

Hey King Tubby news flash fatty, I am a musician, I produce and work for Koch RecordsBreak Silence Recordings.

You are clearly showing you are out of touch with your remarks. That’s okay I’m an old guy too and it took me awhile to wrap my mind around where we are. You’ll get there.

I can assure you that most musicians in the year 2009 are NOT making money off of record sales. Even if people like you buy a copy and feel all warm and fuzzy about how fucking righteous you are the artist will see literally 3 or 4 cents per song. The posts about the band making money off shows (and in our case Merch is a lifeblood) is where the business model is. And I am speaking as someone who works for a label and spends every working moment of my life knee deep in these exact issues. I’ll say it again your views are dated and since we started slinging insults: Naive at best.

[Chicago_Fog]

"King Tubby" wrote:

"Chicago_Fog" wrote:

Looks like I’ve been on this forum about 8 years longer than you. And quite frankly your post sounds like you work for Jagjaguwar or something. In today’s age we need to face it that music is free. it is. It is going to be available for free whether you like it or not. The way to support the band is to show up at the shows, buy merch, blog positively about the band, etc. I know from the Beyond release my thoughts aren’t 100% shared on this forum but bands like NIN get it and are embracing the future. so to you sir, I say: I firmly disagree.
The best thing we could do is get this album out and into as many people’s hands as possible.
That type of buzz around a quality product is what is best in the long run for the health of Dinosaur jr and will generate the most $$ in the current dynamics of the record industry.
furthermore the album is done & ready so let’s enjoy it.

I do think the band feels differently about this issue. From what I gather, one of the reasons they were unhappy with Fat Possum was because of how early, and widely, Beyond leaked. This time out, with Jagjaguwar, they’ve hired Web Sheriff to keep a lookout for leaks. Plenty of buzz can be generated with aggressive promotion, official releases of album tracks, etc. — all of which Jagjaguwar has done a great job with. If a band chooses to let their work be circulated for free, that’s their choice. But if they try to maintain some control over their work by actively working to prevent it being given away for free, then I think that should be respected.

What evidence do you have to back this up that the band were unhappy about Beyond leaks?

I think I have Farm earlier than I had Beyond?
Saying buzz can be generated "with aggressive promotion, official releases of album tracks, etc." is great. Sure you can get Coldplay toilet paper but who cares? Its a waste of money. This model is outdated and is no longer going to work.
People DO NOT pay for music so thinking these steps are going to make a difference is simply ignoring the current state of the music industry, which is in a violent transition period as everyone tries to figure out what the new model looks like.
I’m not claiming to have the answers all I’m doing is pointing out that clinging to this way of operating is a lost cause. The old model is dying and its time to accept it. Once that is done we can all start working on solutions. Rather than telling me about Web Sherriff it would be outstanding to propose some new ideas as to how we could make this a winwin for us all.

One last thing: Web Sherriff? Are you serious? Talk about a joke.

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