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Well, nicely put but we’re not talking about tons of money here. I mean, tons of money for you would mean, more that you can spend. It’s easy to be genorous if you have more than you can spend. Unfortunately the American goverment is in no such position. In fact, it has lent itself rather a lot of money over the years. So there is a question of who’s gonna het some help and who isn’t, now that the recession is rising it’s ugly head. And if you had to make a decision, wouldn’t you support the people who have supported you in the past rather than the people who haven’t. I think you would.
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dAnthony
I hate to shatter your illusions, but capitalism rules . Cheer up it’s not all that bad, freedom of speach, democracy, all that stuff. Of course Capitalism tends to be cruel to the ones that don´t live up to it’s expectations(especially in America), but the very arrogance of American Capitalism made it a prime target in the first place and hey, you can´t really blame capitalism to look first after their own kind. I mean, you would do the same, wouldn’t you?
gruss
dSo you don´t think there is anything wrong with that?!
Well of course you don’t because you are such a nice person. And believe me in this day and age, where you watch TV and think to yourself, Where is all this hostility coming from? we need more nice people than ever. On the other hand, I tend to find people who are always on the diplomatic side a bit disconcerting, suspecting that they really can´t be that goodhearted and friendly (i.e. better than me). Don´t you feel the urge to be mean from time to time? Don´t get me wrong I don’t take pleasure in hurting someones innermost feelings, but with music I don’t think you have to take everything so seriously.
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dWell, I don’t know when the saying: "The something was only invented in (insert year of invention). We got along fine before." was first heard, but I´m positive we could well do without it cause a) it´s absolutly meaningless and b) it´s wrong cause the plane has made many things easier, like the time when the Russians blocked all the roads to Berlin (that was after the war) and when I wanted to visit a friend in Australia. I heard people arguing in the line of: The Internet was only invented in the second half of the 20th Century. We got along fine before. I mean, how dumb can you get and I don’t know if you have any idea what life was like in the early 1900s but I can assure you it was hardly as convenient as it is today. Think a bit more positive, old chap.
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dHey Javro.
There are actually more than 3 Coverversions of SLTS available. My favourite is a Lift music rendition from a Finish Easy Listening Combo whose name is really hard to remember. You might think that all those songs that are mentioned in the Best song of all time Poll are quite good (personally I like Smells like Teen Spirit, but could do without Stairway to Heaven and I think Hotel California is one of the worst songs ever). But that wasn´t the point. You know I have quite a lot of favorites, where I think, well as far as composition and lyrics go, this is really exellent, but they never appear in those lists. But it´s not elitist at all cause generally heaps of people have covered said songs. I mean it´s all pop music. Like Moon River is a really good pop song and people still play it. However, the voters concentrated on what I guess we still have to call Rock with a capital R (and the stardom/image that it represents)and I would like it to be more open for all kinds of popular music. I mean it´s all verse chorus, mostly really.
See, I was just trying to suggest a new approach. Frankly, some of my favorite songs don´t even have a tune and are therefore rather hard to cover.
And Dfkgrrrrrl. For years I thought it was actually called the Girl from Impanema. Sounds more natural, doesn´t it.
Only recently I got hold of the version by Julie London, which is my favourite at the moment. Great stuff.
gruss
dExcuse me Malcom, but aren´t you aware of the fact that good old Jimmy tried to transform Rock’n’Roll from a primary teenage attack into some boring old farts guitare doodling. I think we should all be so grateful that he died so early; otherwise he might have succeeded; and we all know how hard Eric Clapton tried to finish off what Hendrix had started. Most influencial guitarplayer, my arse. Certainly not for the Ramones. Have a good stomp on his grave and give a Gabba Gabba Hey to the kids.
gruss
dThere is no culture here
Whatever happened to the Velvet Undergrounds Pale Blue Eyes. Used to be my favourite sad song for ages. Of course, nowadays the Delgados’ Pull the wires from the wall gets all the credit (come on, you must love that). But when I was in New Orleans, we went into this Thrash Metal/Punk Joint and they had a jukebox there and after evryone had their go at Tool, Limp Bizkit and RatM, I got a sequence with Blitzkrieg Bop, Debaser (Pixies), Hanging on the Telephone (Blondie, well, you had to work with what was on offer) and closed it neatly with Pale Blue Eyes, which really seemed to disturb the assembled Punks and Headbangers. Sounded great as ever.
gruss
dwell, my pet platypus, who goes by the name of Captain is pretty keen on anchovies. So, whenever we order a pizza, I have to get him a plain one with a triple helping of anchovies, which makes me look like a pervert, but there you are. Life can be tough. Beats onions every time.
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dwell, isn’t Darklands the album with Happy when it rains on it. I’m most certain that there is a drumcomputer featured there and not a proper drummer. definately sounds like it. But unfortunately I can´t check because Darklands (as most of my vinyl) is at my parents house in Essen. Anyway, I´m positive that it was the tour where they promoted Darklands when I saw JAMC perform with a drumcomputer. I remember I was doing my social service so that must have been the spring of 87.
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Yeah Psychodelic Furs didn’t really do too well in the last ten years.<FONT>[ August 23, 2001 04:57 PM: Message mutated 1 time, lastly by dimpfelmoser ]</font>
Well, by the time Darklands was recorded Bobby G had already left to form Primal Scream and the whole thing was recorded with a drumcomputer which doesn´t really suit the music I think and I saw Jesus and the Marychain around that time which was really weird. You know, three guys with guitars in front of a curtain performing to a drummachine. Well Rock´n´Roll purist that I was back then, I thought that was completly out of order. I mean, it coulnd´t be to hard to find someone who drummed as bad as Bobby Gillespie. Barbed Wire is ok though.
In regard to the really interesting list by halfman, I just put in the survivers for good measure. Basically you got the same suspects we had a couple of months ago when we tried to decide on the most influential bands. Well, I was willing to have a small bet that Allison would list the Stooges and Hüsker Dü (can’t do the Umlaut, can you?) as bands that would stand the test of time. But what I really want to know is about the bands that you can´t stand anymore, though once you thought they were the bees knees.
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dDolly Parton rules! (really)
Bad Religion became a bit of a joke after suffer me thinks. Well, teacher has a go at punk rock. Rarely works.
Kids, what is wrong with Experimental Jet set. I thought it was a return to form after Dirty. Songs too short or what?
Actually my first record ever was the red album from the Beatles. I was eight or so and had just seen Yellow Submarine and Help on the telly which I really enjoyed and the red album was the only record that had both titlesongs on them (the only songs I knew by name then). In the course of the next year I got all of their records and listened to not much else until I discovered the Rolling Stones when I was ten. So all Beatles tunes are still way too familiar to me. I mean, they are all so catchy, that even if you havent heard them for ages, you can still sing along, which makes them sort of boring.
Salamigguy, I agree to most of the records you dismissed (well the ones I know). Will try to come back to that in greater detail.
Jesus and the Marychain, well, I know that Psycocandy is such a classic, but if I put in on nowadays it really sounds contrived and old fashioned to me.
Sleater Kinney aren’t going for so long, or are they. I saw them together with Bis a couple of years ago and thought the voice was a bit irritating after the first 30 minutes.
More later
gruss
d<FONT>[ August 20, 2001 07:18 PM: Message mutated 1 time, lastly by dimpfelmoser ]</font>
Well must I again speak the voice of reason?!
If someone says that Dinosaur Jr. sound highly derivitive, you have to put it in context, into perspective. First I disagree with Salamiguy, that here is nothing new (new sounds, new images, whatever). People already said that 200 years ago and no-one is going to deny that we had something new in the meantime. It´s usually people that can´t think of anything original who give this as an exuse for their plagiatism. However, music in this day and age (with the countless revivals, sampling and what not) is more derivitive than it used to be.
Of course in some ways J. is highly original (the voice for a start) but is that obvious to the untrained ear?! Since he is so strongly influenced by the 70s, I guess for some people it might seem derivitive (sounds almost familiar after I`ve used it three times). I mean, it´s not really radical stuff he´s doing
(Well, apart from the Neil Young cover). Like when we first heard Hip Hop or Tekkno.
But hey, for everything there is a season. Don´t let it spoil your enjoyment. Can´t come up with something new all the time.
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dELJ
Can you please tell me why you quote every smegging post you reply to, even when, as in this case, your reply doesn´t relate to the post whatsoever.
Yes, I too think that this quoting option is a jolly good feature, but hey, after 500 post the exitement should slowly wear off and well, most of the time, people understand what your refering to without reading it twice. I think it is only necessary if you reply to something further above. Otherwise it just clogs up the screen. Sorry but my machine is so slow.
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dLet´s not get carried away here. Frankly J.s music is not more than perfect, it´s not even perfect. I mean, that´s part of the atraction, isn´t it?! Those little imperfections here and there. Just like Life itself. Hey, more philosophy for all of you.
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