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"fata morgana " wrote:

That’s why I started this thread–I wrote it independently of the band (yes, it happens…).

I also think this thread acts more like a warning label such as what you would see on a pack of cigarettes: ‘Dont smoke it may cause stuff to happen…’

Good point. Not sure about your part of the world, but in my state (Victoria, Australia) smoking will be banned from all pubs, restaurants, nightclubs, concert venues (from June 1st 2007). They realised that smoking IS harmful so it has been banned to avoid venues getting sued by workers affected by smoke. I think the only exempt indoor place is the Melbourne Casino. go figure??

Damage to ears from loud music is still subjective. Many court cases over damaged hearing get thrown out due to lack of specific technical evidence and understanding of the topic. But with more research I think we’ll look back in 20 years and say "how did we let those sound guys get away with it!!??"

My dad suffers deafness due to not wearing earmuffs on construction sites – he now has to wear hearing aids. Dad said you were seen as a "sissy" if you wore earmuffs as an apprentice carpenter. My left eardrum is stuffed from one too many loud concert; constant ringing in that ear. I remember being offered earpluggs at a random concert and saying no – I was embarrassed to have these big orange things sticking out of my ears!! When you hit 30 years old you start to have regrets about these things…

Just general chit chat.

I’d have to think back on about 18 years of attending rock concerts. DJ would be a contender for the loudest. A Kiwi band called ‘Shihad’ might just be a notch higher (so loud I had to leave a gig one night).

BUT… I can say that the venue that DJ are playing at this time in Melbourne (The Forum) is a big classic theatre where the sound is generally aok due to the expansive venue size. And a perfect venue to see a band like DJ for those who haven’t experienced them before. Make sure you look up during the gig and check out the artwork & glow stars on the theatre roof

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"fata morgana " wrote:

Reminder: If you are catching Dinosaur live YOU SHOULD TAKE EARPLUGS.!!!! Not a joke

the band wears professional earplugs
the crowd is now being told they "SHOULD" wear earplugs

so why not just turn the volume down a pinch instead??

nah, stupid suggestion…… forget I mentioned it

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"Annastefka " wrote:

The very interesting thing about the original poster is that he always comes here and bitches about the shows……….the last bitch was the cost of the show, and yet he keeps going back to see them. I wouldn’t give him negative karma for expressing his opinion, although the whole "class action suit" was a little stupid. If I was going to a show where I knew the act was throwing knieves into the crowd, it would be kind of stupid to come out and say "By gosh, I was hit by a knife, what was that all about?"

When did I bitch about the cost of the show???? Wrong. I had a bitch about Lou not playing stuff off 3 albums the last tour. I didn’t know in advance. That was it. Others bitched about the same thing after seeing gigs worldwide.

I don’t "keep going back to see them". I’m done after my last experience. I wish them well. Their memory lives on with my cd collection.

The Aussie DJ shows are being advertised with comparison to a "jet engine". My ears were killed after their last show(s). I just don’t like the fact that they (or any other band) think playing loud is ‘cool-for-kids’. My girlfriend is an audiologist – she can tell you professionally how stupid it is to play music THAT loud for the sake of a bravado-reputation.

The ‘class action suit’ got someones attention because now there is a "PLEASE WEAR EARPLUGS THREAD". Sounds to me like a rushed LEGAL DISCLAIMER!!! It wasn’t a threat – I read that other bands have been sued over their volume at concerts – google search and you shall find. If I was the DJ lawyer I would advise them not to advertise comparisons with "jet engines" in their concert promotions. A judge would just love that comparison!!

I take the ‘Ear Bleeding Country’ comment – but when I listen to this fabulous CD I don’t turn my stereo up to MAX VOL and put my head against my speaker to get the full effect – that would be just plain stupid wouldn’t it…

My thoughts will fall on deaf ears

I’m not a troll – blame my girlfriend for educating me – she even has a sticker she gives to schoolkids which says "Hearing Damage is Permanent"

I’ll leave it there. Peace.

For more info please research this website:

http://www.abelard.org/hear/hear.htm”>http://www.abelard.org/hear/hear.htm

Problems with Conventional Earplugs

Musician’s earplugs are not intended for maximum attenuation. For that application, conventional foam or fully sealed pre-moulded hearing protectors or earmuffs are recommended.

Existing earplugs attenuate more than necessary for much of the noise in industry and the environment.

Regardless of their exact construction, existing earplugs produce 10 to 20 dB of high frequency attenuation and the result is that people often reject them because they can’t hear speech clearly.
Conventional earplugs make the wearer’s own voice sound hollow (known as the occlusion effect).
Many people risk their hearing by either wearing earplugs loosely or wearing no protection at all so they will be able to hear voices, machinery or music more clearly.

Finally, cottonwool and tissue are useless. They only reduce sound by less than 7 dB.

………………………………….

Watch your hearing!

Your ears are very delicate, prolonged exposure to sound pressure levels above 85dBA will cause damage to your hearing. If you have ever been to a party or to a concert where loud music was played, you may have experienced Temporary Threshold Shift (TTS). This temporary loss of hearing can become permanent if exposure is done on a regular basis.

One way to tell if you’ve been exposed to excessive sound pressure levels is that you tend to hear a ringing in your ears.

Ringing in your ears, hissing, clicking or buzzing sounds all represent the effects of tinnitus, which is often a side effect of noise-induced hearing loss. Inner-ear cells are sensitive to vibrations. But if they’re damaged, the ears will still record ringing or buzzing, even when there’s no sound.

Remember, it is your high frequency hearing that deteriorates first. Think of what music would sound like if you couldn’t hear anything above 10KHz: just like with a crummy old transistor radio or listening to music over a telephone (no cymbals or high pitched instruments, voices sounding deadened). Protect yourself or just turn it down!

The high frequencies are lost first, so you may have difficulty hearing high-pitched voices. Loss of high-frequency hearing makes many words sound alike, especially those containing the high-frequency sounds S or soft C, F, SH, CH or H. Words like “hill,â€

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"mike williamson " wrote:

I don’t want them to replace OUT THERE and FEEL THE PAIN. I just want them to add GET ME and WHAT ELSE IS NEW to the setlist!

OUT THERE is an amazing song…I love hearing it live.

Mike

On The Way
Get Me
Hide
Blowing It

etc etc

good luck to them cashing in, but I won’t bother seeing them again live.

still they proudly advertise these gigs as having the volume on 11/10.

Too Loud = Too Stupid = DJ

for years, fans have complained about the stupidly-loud-volume and J doesn’t give a shit. His arrogance is the real problem.

DJ had better look out – some cluey fans might get the idea of a forming a class action for the damage they have done to 10000s of damaged ear drums. DJ have the duty of care. Just turn it the f**k down. Deliberately damaging kids ear drums is a pretty low act.

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"johnmora " wrote:

Anyone pissed off about "only songs from the first three albums"… *sigh* whatever.

kind of…

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I knew I’d get roasted… fair enough…

hey, at least I had the guts to step on a few toes and say how I felt.

I’ll cut n paste this onto other threads and leave you all in peace!! JK

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"mike williamson " wrote:

"hmmmmm " wrote:

"thelasttoknow " wrote:

Heh, I just replied to your review hmmmm, saying that if I hadn’t asked, I’d feel the same as you.

cheers. glad you did your research and knew what to expect

I’ll live and learn and will do my homework if there is a next time… but tis pretty rare for a band to play only their backdated material?? have you ever heard of this before?? usually bands would only do this if their fan base hates various albums – certainly not the case with Dinosaur Jr – everyone loves all their ‘more recent’ releases!!
Imagine if they opened with ‘Out There’, followed by ‘Feel the Pain’ then backdate, then into Freakscene etc etc. I can only dream…

Any real fans have been getting those songs for years live. Why have you not been going to J MASCIS & THE FOG shows? J’s been playing in a 3 piece rock band that’s basically identical to DINO for years since the breakup and I’ve always heard the later hits at those shows. OUT THERE, GET ME, ALONE, etc etc.

I like the WARNER records alot too, but the original lineup was only on <a>SST</a>, and that’s the lineup touring, so that’s the songs we get. I wouldn’t have expected otherwise.

Mike

Hi dude. I’ve answered this on my other posting – see "Melbourne Show" and scroll through my comments. I was out of the country (SAmerica then UK) for previous tours and this was my first chance.

Remember, we’re not all in Dino J forums day and night… if ever. Many of us who go to a gig see a poster in a pub from a band we worshipped in the 1990s and check out the bands website expecting much the same (I have the POWs St Kilda concert from mid 1990s).

Tell me, on this web site "Tour Link" where does it mention anything about the show being a 3 album concert?? Anywhere… besides forums?? People like ‘thelasttoknow’ only found out by trawling through forums like this. 2/3rds of the crowd on Sunday night were dumbfounded – why?? we had no idea about the format. Or maybe others knew but didn’t feel obliged to go out and purchase 3 reissues with a D Jr gun to their heads I would have liked a choice either way to either buy the back issues or to stay at home knowing I wouldn’t hear any songs off my cds (except The Wagon) – it’s a unique concert format and you need to hit fringe fans from the 1990s with a hammer in the head at TIME OF TIX PURCHASE to explain it!!

ps – gee I wish Mike Johnson (or anyone else) was back in the band… all this Lou album nostalgia is getting me teary eyed… err did Mike J play tracks from the Lou years – yep!! Can someone else play bass as well as Lou – yep!! my vote is still with Mike J – he’d kick Lou’s ass from here to Tasmania

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"thelasttoknow " wrote:

Hey guys, I’m writing a review for last night’s show, and I’d love a photo to accompany it. I wouldn’t be able to pay you, as I don’t get paid myself, but I’d give you a credit in the column and you’d be contributing to getting D Jr some acknowledgement at my uni

sorry no pixs.

I spoke to my mate before and he said he saw Lou telling a punter up the front to "shut up" between the earlier songs on the night. The punter kept asking him to play something-or-other?? Probably was asking for something off Where You Been Did you see this? My view to Lou was blocked by one of those annoying concrete columns for first half of the gig

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"thelasttoknow " wrote:

Heh, I just replied to your review hmmmm, saying that if I hadn’t asked, I’d feel the same as you.

cheers. glad you did your research and knew what to expect

I’ll live and learn and will do my homework if there is a next time… but tis pretty rare for a band to play only their backdated material?? have you ever heard of this before?? usually bands would only do this if their fan base hates various albums – certainly not the case with Dinosaur Jr – everyone loves all their ‘more recent’ releases!!

I could sense at the gig last night that the crowd was primed for a familar tune and were then ready to explode into life – that tune was "Freakscene" – but as I said it was all too late. Imagine if they opened with ‘Out There’, followed by ‘Feel the Pain’ then backdate, then into Freakscene etc etc. I can only dream…

Look forward to reading your detailed review and hope your ears repair soon!

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"RSTguitars " wrote:

I believe that the only song they’ve been playing that’s NOT from the first 3 albums is The Wagon.

I’m also really into the later material… but I’ve seen 3 shows on this tour so far, and I guarantee you won’t be disappointed!

I wish a) I had found this forum, and b) read this post; before I purchased my tixs for last nights DISAPPOINTING Melbourne Show.

ummm… pay $50 to hear just "The Wagon"… NO THANKS!!

Throw in some other classics for the average core base of fans – "Hide", "Out There", "Get Me", "Goin Home", "Feel the Pain", "I Don’t Think So" and I’ll consider paying $50 again.

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